Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dead Air Silencers


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Modussiccandi (talk) 10:57, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Dead Air Silencers

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WP:PROMO article that just lists the company's products and relies for references on only industry press and routine announcements; therefore does not meet WP:ORGCRIT. Contested WP:G11 from another editor but I think this is a more appropriate venue. FalconK (talk) 02:20, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Companies and United States of America. FalconK (talk) 02:20, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep Clearly meets WP:GNG. Also just to be clear this is not promotional and if such aspersions are to be cast the COI noticeboard is the place not here, either retract the aspersion or take it to the COI noticeboard. Horse Eye&#39;s Back (talk) 04:04, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
 * It is definitely promotional in effect, though WP:NOTDIRECTORY would suffice. I am not accusing you of COI or even of spamming; I merely think this article does not meet the restrictive bar set forth in WP:NCORP specifically to prevent inclusion of articles that are for example just lists of products and transactions.  FalconK (talk) 05:20, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Please explain what "promotional in effect" means, it is not a concept covered at WP:PROMO which was the very first thing you linked... If you merely think this article does not meet the restrictive bar set forth in WP:NCORP it seems odd to repeatedly cast promotional aspersions, no? PROMO and NCORP aren't related after all. Horse Eye&#39;s Back (talk) 05:46, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
 * We're listing products and describing why people might want to buy them, which is marketing, even if when written it wasn't intended as marketing. The vast majority of companies that make products that get reviewed and written about in trade press do not meet the notability bar, partially because the information to be found about them is all promotional.  This means that even when you discard the interaction between Wikipedia and the flood of SEO and marketing professionals who tell companies to seek a Wikipedia article about themselves and the inherent promotional nature of that, an article written about such a company with information from available sources will tend to be promotional.  FalconK (talk) 05:51, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
 * "listing products and describing why people might want to buy them" isn't marketing and describes much of what we do on wikipedia because its much of what WP:RS do... If that was the case pages like Timeline of Apple Inc. products and List of Ford vehicles simply couldn't exist. I will accept that a reasonable person can interpret the article as failing our notability guidelines, what I can't accept is that the article is WP:PROMO because it meets none of the five listed categories. Unintentional marketing is not marketing for PROMO purposes and is an unavoidable fact with any wikipedia page involving a person, place, or thing regardless of how the content is presented (its mere existence is unintentional/accidental marketing). Horse Eye&#39;s Back (talk) 06:14, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Leaning weak keep. Being featured in American Rifleman and other stuff suggests industry recognition of some degree. Ari T. Benchaim (talk) 00:12, 5 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep seems to have enough independent and reliable coverage for WP:NCORP --Morpho achilles (talk) 06:20, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep Article currently has NPOV issues, but the sources establish that WP:NCORP is met. MrsSnoozyTurtle 09:37, 13 July 2022 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.