Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dead map


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The result was   delete. -- Cirt (talk) 00:18, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Dead map

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No citations and completely orphaned. Searching for this is difficult but the lack of any real hits in pages of GBooks searches suggests it isn't a real term. At least one would expect a citation to a conspiracy theorist work. Mangoe (talk) 17:19, 11 January 2011 (UTC)  Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:18, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I can find no evidence of this concept by this name. Franklin D. Roosevelt called his secret map simply a "secret map", and so, it seems, does everyone else.  There's room for an article on cartographic censorship and cartographic disinformation and falsification (to go alongside cartographic propaganda) which we don't cover as extensively as (for example) John Brian Harley has covered it.  But this isn't even a useful start to such an article, because there's zero verifiable content here, and the subject (certainly as Harley discusses it in articles such as Maps, Knowledge, and Power) is rather more complex.  Interestingly, User:Not home/Russian topics, which barely even explains the subject, is the closest that we come to discussing a whole cartographical topic that ranges from Soviet Union city street maps missing whole government buildings to the Ordnance Survey filling in blanks.  Uncle G (talk) 02:51, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Does Harley even use this phrase? Mangoe (talk) 03:19, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Which phrase? "Dead map"?  Not as far as I can see.  As I said, I can find no evidence that anyone uses this name for this concept.  See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Maps by the way.   Uncle G (talk) 11:43, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Delete even if the information is true there is still WP's "not a dictionary" policy. Is there a List of conspiracy theory terms?  If so add it there, although the list itself would also be against policy but perhaps its greater bulk would save it. Borock (talk) 02:20, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete as failing verifiability as well as notability, and because WP is not a dictionary. Every nation, and many organizations undoubtedly have "secret maps," but for present ones it would be quite difficult to get reliable sources which say much about them. Historic secret maps might be a topic for an article. This is not it. Edison (talk) 18:55, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.