Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Deal or No Deal, Series 3 (UK) (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was delete. I am guided by the precedent set at Articles for deletion/Deal or No Deal, Series 1 (UK); it indeed matches my own findings here. Personal utility is not grounds for inclusion. Also, it appears that the material has been moved offsite, so all needs are met. Mackensen (talk) 20:39, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Deal or No Deal, Series 3 (UK) (2nd nomination)


Procedural listing, AFD was not completed correctly due to conflict with previous nomination. Several similar articles are available on AFD for an overview of orignal nominator's position. Serpent&#39;s Choice 05:44, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete - Wikipedia is not an indiscriminant collection of information. MER-C 06:04, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per above. Movementarian (Talk) 06:49, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per above. TJ Spyke 06:52, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep I can't believe that this article has been nominated for deletion. I've even got it bookmarked so that I can keep track with the events of the show. Triangle e 17:36, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
 * DeleteUnsourced original research going into painfully too much detail. It is appropriate to have one article for a game show, and inappropriate to write up what color clothing everyone wore in every episode. The Price is Right has been on 50 years, and only has one article for each reincarnation of the show (different format, different host).Edison 18:41, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Strongly Keep. This article includes records from the series - records which would make both the main Deal or No Deal UK article and the UK game show records article, far too full. This is also a very useful resource that a lot of people, myself included, use and update regularly. Cipher (Yell) 18:42, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I totally agree, Cipher. It's not as trivial as "what colour shirt" they're wearing. This show has a cult following and this information is drawn on and mentioned throughout the show's run. Things like "what box number contains which value" and "since when the 1p has been won" are subjects that have consistantly been brought up during the show. The fact that so many people have contributed to this article is surely evidence of how useful this page is. Triangle e 19:14, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

*Comment I'll withhold my vote for now. WP:TVE appears to support this article, and others are just linking me to WP:NOT but until anyone can provide a quote from this that appears to edict this page; I believe keeping it. --Hydrostatics 16:33, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete This information is very useful to a fan but it is not encyclopedical. This data before deletion could be transfered to a fan website, and a link put on the DOND UK article and updated that way PrincessBrat 19:39, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. I don't think we should differentiate between game shows and sitcoms and reality shows, etc. A season episode guide for a very notable show should certainly be kept. --- RockMFR 19:46, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. This place is useful record of events on a very popular program, and serves as an excellent reference. I find it extremely useful if I miss a program and want to see what happened. This might sound as if I'm worryingly addicted but my opinion still counts!--Oli 19:49, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete I'm sorry, but this (along with similar articles) is not encyclopaedic. Computerjoe 's talk 22:02, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:TVE.--Angllues 22:59, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Eusebeus 00:42, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep, but delete 'Trvia' section The former is a concise television summary, the latter is fancruft.
 * It MUST be Kept The Deal or No Deal games are so wrapped around each others games and the contestants that it only seems right to have a log of all the games on Wikipedia. If I ever miss a game, I come straight here to see what the game was like. If you're that bothered by it, delete some of the less important footnotes. Platypus3005, 19:07 22 November
 * Strongly Keep Very useful source of reference, with frequent contributions and updates. This isn't like any other game show, and its statistical records are as worthwhile as those of sports etc. 84.65.114.231 19:08, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. The Series 2 article has existed since March with no objections until now, is the only list of its kind on the internet, many of which finding it a useful source. Does not go into trivial details, simply lists very brief summaries of each game, and considering it covers over 20 episodes is fairly short an article. BillyH 19:10, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment It is NOT the only list of its kind. Bother's Bar, ScrewTheBanker and DondUK BlogSpot all have similar; if not better; reports. -Hydrostatics 20:19, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment No other site contains such a concise and easy to read summary of each game. --84.65.114.231 22:35, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Strongly Keep Hugely informative for everyone. As said above, the page is the only extensive source on the internet regarding the subject. Strongly disagree with deletion. wakey1512 19:49, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Strongly Keep as voted on the series 2 page. I am strongly in favour of keeping these pages as they are of great use to many people, and the same information cannot be found arranged as coherently as it is here. L1v3rp00l 21:01, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete as for others: indiscriminate and excessive collection of WP:NOTalicious trivia which is in no sense an "episode guide". Angus McLellan (Talk) 12:18, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep, consider move. Each line is a concise plot summary of a single episode, consistent with the spirit of WP:TVE. The television broadcast is a primary source, valid per the accepted definition of original research. Notability of each broadcast is inferred from the (relatively) large audience for the programme, per main article. Ideally, this information would be included in the main Deal or No Deal (UK) article, and it may be better as a subpage. Eludium-q36 14:39, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep as per my comment for Series 1-- Elcondor 08:34, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. This is a useful article to me, I enjoy going back over the previous episodes and having the record of results, seems relatively appropriate for an online encyclopedia (which is, after all, able to keep current data on subjects in a way that printed encyclopedias aren't able to). === Jez === 17:05, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. This is a fantastic reference for all interested in the stats of the show. I refer to the articles on each of the series 1-3 quite often. DannyIndigo 17:13, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete "Elizabeth told Noel that she and her friend Mandy were inseparable as they had known each other since they were 12 years old." is cruft. ArmAndLeg 17:17, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment Well get rid of the footnotes if you like, and just keep the table of episode summaries. --84.66.143.37 18:27, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:TVE. Also verifiable and no original research. Railwayman 22:42, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Strong delete as per Series 1 & 2 and the US series. Can these monomaniacs take this crud somewhere else? Pete Fenelon 01:42, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment What is it that wikipedia says about personal attacks again? Triangle e 12:14, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment No personal attacks please, or you lose all credibility. 28/11/06 Martinyearly


 * STONGLY KEEP As stated above, this is a fantastic reference for all interested in the stats of deal or no deal. It isn't hurting anyone to keep this information here. 28/11/06 Martinyearly
 * Delete per nom and above. We're not a TV guide, and an episode list for a game show is just... insane. -- Ned Scott 05:45, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
 * comment Wikipedia IS a TV guide - witness all the pages for stuff like Doctor Who and Star Trek. Deal or No Deal is NOT your average "game-show", and that more than anything else seems the hub of this question - does it deserve the same respect as other TV shows on wikipedia?  A small but vocal group of people seem to think it doesn't.  Fans of the series are already storing this information to host it elsewhere on dedicated DonD sites.  It looks like the fans have lost, but as far as I'm concerned it is wikipedia who are the losers as this IS important information for many, even just casual viewers and not hardcore fans.  These are (were) the best presented stats and episode guides on the internet. I'm quite disappointed in this decision.  88.104.207.7 17:02, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment For those who wish to preserve these pages outside of Wikipedia, I have placed versions on http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/Deal_or_No_Deal_UK - I have no interest in maintaining a full wiki for these, but someone might Elcondor 21:13, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment They've deleted the page for series 1 so it looks like that we've lost. What a complete and utter disaster. Wikipedia: the least reliable source on the net. Triangle e 22:51, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.