Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dean Biddulph


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The result was delete--Ymblanter (talk) 09:05, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

Dean Biddulph

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Minimally sourced WP:BLP of a person notable only as a local councillor in a municipality not large enough to get its local councillors over WP:NPOL just for being councillors. Only internationally famous global cities on the order of New York City, Toronto or London get an automatic presumption of notability for their municipal councillors, but this municipality is not in that range. And of the two references here, one is to his own primary source profile on his own political party's website and the other is to a news article which namechecks his existence in the process of failing to be about him, which means WP:GNG has not been met either. Delete. Bearcat (talk) 23:27, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. GabeIglesia (talk) 23:44, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of South Africa-related deletion discussions. GabeIglesia (talk) 23:44, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

Keep passes WP:POLITICIAN. Councilor for a major municipality in an under-represented continent. Wikipedia's systemic bias against non-western countries should give us significant caution when considering deletion of elected figures representing over a million people in Sub-Saharan Africa.--TM 15:09, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment It seems Nelson Mandela Bay Metropolitan Municipality has sixty wards and he's the councillor of Ward 2. Which means there are 59 other councillors. I tried looking for any of their articles but I don't think there are any. --Mr. Magoo (talk) 05:09, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete He is a local counselor of a significant municipality, although I am still unclear how the actually role of him over Nelson Mandela Bay compares to city councilors for Port Elizabeth, or even if Port Elizabeth has a seperate government. I am not sure if this is city council v. county commission as one would see in parts of the US, or if it is slightly different. In the case of city council v. County Comission, at least in cases like Detroit City Council v Wayne County Comission or Chicago City Council v Cook County Commission, the later are further from default notability than the former. Still in all cases I would insist on us having indepth coverage of the person, not fact checking and party profiles. Nelson Mandela Bay has just over 1 million people, but still less than Wayne County, Michigan, and I would not default give a Wayne County Comissioner notability pass, so in this case as well I say delete.John Pack Lambert (talk) 05:13, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment We do have articles on past Detroit City Council members like Gil Hill and Keith Butler. However Hill made his presence on the city council noted, and was especially followed when he ran for mayor. He also has notability from his acting career, even if it was short. Butler is also a prominent community member and minister, ran for the Republican senate nomination, and is currently a Republican National Committee member. He is also the only publicly acknowledged Republican to have been on the Detroit City Council since before World War II, but since the council elections are non-partisan, it is not clear what percentage of council members identify with a given political party, although many clearly identify as Democrats.John Pack Lambert (talk) 05:19, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
 * The standard that a city has to meet to get its city councillors over WP:NPOL just for being city councillors is not just "major municipality" — something which any city with a population of as little as 50 or 60 thousand could claim to be. Rather, it's "internationally significant global city", on the order of New York City, Toronto, London or Tokyo. For anything below that rarefied class of cities, a municipal councillor has to be explicitly shown to pass WP:GNG — but we're at complete zero for GNG-worthy sourcing here. Bearcat (talk) 20:53, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete as still questionable for the necessary independent notability. SwisterTwister   talk  22:34, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   09:11, 24 April 2016 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, &mdash; Music1201  talk  02:13, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete - while there may be bias at play here, it is not on Wikipedia's part, but on the media's. Bearcat's assessment regarding councilors is spot on, and searches simply did not turn up enough in-depth coverage to show this person passes WP:GNG.  Onel 5969  TT me 13:33, 13 May 2016 (UTC)


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