Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dean Smith (Footballer)


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The result was   delet per WP:ATHLETE failure. пﮟოьεԻ  5  7  10:08, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Dean Smith (Footballer)

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Contested PROD. Player fails WP:ATHLETE as he has never played in a fully-pro league GiantSnowman 13:24, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football related deletions. GiantSnowman 13:25, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom and no evidence of particular notability to pass WP:BIO either. --Dweller (talk) 13:40, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete as non-notable. Never played in a fully pro league, not enough external coverage to pass the general notability guideline. – Toon 13:52, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete as above. Blue Square Thing (talk) 21:23, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. Non-notable football player. --Carioca (talk) 21:31, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Athletes-related deletion discussions.  -- TexasAndroid (talk) 23:26, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions.  -- TexasAndroid (talk) 23:26, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep, has played in Conference National, a professional football league Eldumpo (talk) 21:51, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment the Conference National isn't fully professional as the criteria states - teams such as Histon are and have only ever been part-time. --Jimbo[online] 22:11, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
 * all clubs in the league pay their players Eldumpo (talk) 22:47, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
 * That doesn't make them professional, only semi-professional. Footballers from as low as level 9 in the pyramid (possibly lower) get paid. --Jimbo[online] 23:11, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
 * is your 'them' comment referring to players or clubs? Eldumpo (talk) 10:14, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Players. The clubs are notable, although players playing for them (clubs) are not. --Jimbo[online] 11:29, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Individual players are an integral part of the club though. As I've said before I'm not sure with the current wording (and with reasonable evidence that may be out there) that you can have fully-defined meanings for semi and fully pro. If a player takes a 2nd wage is he automatically not a full pro. What if that extra wage is a small add-on of less than 5% of his club wage. In your eyes does that make him not a full-pro and thus the league would not be fully-pro either? Eldumpo (talk) 14:34, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I really think we're getting into semantics here., as well as drifting into more generalised discussion not specifically related to this AfD. The highest level at which this particular player has played is one at which at least 25% of players are part-timers who fit training and matches around their day jobs.  This clearly isn't a "fully professional level" of football. -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 15:38, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree this is getting away from the article, although I guess both Jimbo and I are trying to answer each other's points, so there is relevance. I would encourage all to contribute to the recent debates at WikiProject Football/Fully professional leagues (I don't think Jimbo has yet) Eldumpo (talk) 09:23, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete English Conference is not fully professional. Even Promozione players are paid, that point is just senseless... --Angelo (talk) 12:21, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
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