Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Death Metal (Possessed demo)


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The result was  No consensus; (default keep).  Jerry  talk ¤ count/logs 14:39, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Death Metal (Possessed demo)

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Demo album without indication of notability. PROD was contested with comment: "this is one of the earliest demos of death metal". While I would like to add a "citation needed", in any case it's not a valid criterion per WP:MUSIC. Sources are missing. B. Wolterding (talk) 18:10, 1 August 2008 (UTC) "containing the band's legendary "Death Metal" demo tape" "POSSESSED's classic 1984 "Death Metal" demo has been made available for download at MetalKult.com." "Sometime in 1984 you recorded your classic demo" "They recorded a four song demo which made its way to the ears of Brian Slagel of Metal Blade Records in 1984." "The band started rehearsing a lot and recorded their first three track demo in 1984 and even once bonus track called “Fallen Angel” in the same session which never made to the demo, but instead got spread out by tape traders." "but the album's final track, "Death Metal"—and Possessed's 1984 demo of the same name—just may have given an official name to the genre"
 * Delete, fails notability per WP:MUSIC.   Esradekan Gibb    "Talk" 02:22, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep, this demo is one of the first death metal albums and more importantly, is considered an origin of the genre name "death metal". This nomination is based on a lack of understanding of the death metal culture. Kameejl (Talk) 15:20, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment Added quote from the book Death Metal Music: The Passion and Politics of a Subculture: "Meanwhile, in 1983, the term was co-coined by some Amrican teens who formed the band Possessed and labeled their demo "Death Metal"." . This RfD can be snowballed. Kameejl (Talk) 16:46, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * A one-line mention of the album title doesn't make a notable topic. --B. Wolterding (talk) 17:41, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * No?
 * www.roadrunnerrecords.com
 * www.roadrunnerrecords.com
 * www.voicesfromthedarkside.de
 * www.ugo.com
 * www.metal-rules.com
 * www.metalstorm.ee
 * Kameejl (Talk) 19:39, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * No. Apart from the fact that only few of these sources are independent and reliable, they only mention the album in passing, stating the title and year of issue. So it's verifiable that the demo exists, but not more. That's fine for mentioning it briefly in the band article, or in Death Metal if you can really source that this is the origin of the name. (The sources you give don't quite say that, though!) But I don't see that a separate article is warranted. --B. Wolterding (talk) 15:50, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * You missed the point. This is clearly an important ("classic", "legendary") demo. For several reasons: a) it was the first mention of the term "death metal" and might be the origin of the genre name (this is described in the death metal article). b) it is one of the earliest death metal recordings c) Possessed got noticed because of the demo d) The demo was the basis of Seven Churches which is considered "the first true death metal record ever released" (AMG). Kameejl (Talk) 00:16, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * No, that's not what the notability criteria refer to. Something does not become notable because someone calls it "classic" or "legendary", but because independent sources write about it in detail (these sources are then supposed to be the base of the article). If it's relevant to death metal, mention it in death metal; if it's relevant to Seven Churches, mention it in Seven Churches (or merge it there). --B. Wolterding (talk) 16:24, 5 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Soft Delete per WP:MUSIC although I disagree with the notablity guidelines this article does fall under it's deletion policy.  Lympathy    Talk  15:27, 4 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions.   —B. Wolterding (talk) 15:51, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment http://books.google.nl/books?q=%22death+metal%22+possessed+1984 the "sound of the beast" hit looks promising, but the content can't be found there. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 18:35, 8 August 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.