Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Death and funeral of Kim Jong-il


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   speedy keep. Page currently linked from main page: Deletion_process  Jujutacular  talk 19:35, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Death and funeral of Kim Jong-il

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This article smacks of recentism, and quite obviously should be deleted (and perhaps a bit merged in to Kim Jong-il, though what is there likely will suffice). I expect an outcry of outrage on this AfD that this is the most important article in the universe and that I must be crazy, with links to lots and lots of news sources. But the fact of it is that the article is almost entirely "Reactions" which aren't notable in any sense of the manner. Ask yourself if you think this article should exist in a year (it shouldn't) and I'm confident even if you all insist on keeping it now, it will be gone by then. Prodego talk  18:33, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep Yup... You've got to be fucking kidding me. The death of Kim Jong-il has been a major topic in International Relations for years, and it has important implications in Northeast Asia. This article is recent, but will clearly have much more cited information than can reasonably fit in the main Kim Jong-il article. This article will be even more relevant in a year as the power struggle within the DPRK government plays out. Embarrassing AfD. (Heroeswithmetaphors)   talk  18:42, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep – to keep the main article from becoming too big, per WP:SIZESPLIT. The main article is currently 70K, so this article is within the guideline. Acps110 (talk • contribs) 18:43, 20 December 2011 (UTC):*
 * Only because of the reactions section though. Prodego  talk  18:47, 20 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Articles for deletion/Log/2011 December 20.  Snotbot   t &bull; c &raquo;  18:47, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep. The article is linked from the main page and should not be at AFD per WP:SK. 62.16.136.89 (talk) 19:05, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep per Heroes. His death has been analyzed for years due to the political and military implications of his unique country. The article will eventual expand on the impact of his death. The process has just started. If this should be completely overblown, I'd say go for an AfD then. As of now, the failure of certain countries to know prior to the announcement could be added.--NortyNort (Holla) 19:11, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep as consonant with other figures of Kim's stature. See, for example, Funeral of JFK, Funeral of Edward VII, and Death and funeral of Leonid Brezhnev, to cite only a tiny portion of the massive number of perfectly reasonable Wiki articles whose subject is the death or laying to rest of major personages. The nearly month-long activities occupying a sovereign nation to commemorate Kim's death are surely notable enough. If you think the article as it stands is not sufficiently researched, improve it, don't delete it. Citizen Sunshine (talk) 19:15, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep. To allay the nominator's fears: I am not outraged, nor do I think this is the most important article in the universe, nor do I think the nominator must be crazy. We just have a difference of opinion about this WP entry. Just because this article details a recent, ongoing event doesn't mean it qualifies for deletion as recentism. This death and funeral are notable world events, and as Citizen Sunshine noted, there is a clear precedent for this type of article. Dawn Bard (talk) 19:28, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Speedy Keep - Nicely done piece. Not mergeable to Kim Jong-il due to length, not a fork but a subpage of that. The list of country-by-country responses should be more than adequate to demonstrate lasting significance of the event. Nominator's speculation Ask yourself if you think this article should exist in a year (it shouldn't) and I'm confident even if you all insist on keeping it now, it will be gone by then."'' is highly unlikely, although there is certainly room to believe that the nature of the piece will evolve over time, as things do at WP. Carrite (talk) 19:32, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.