Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Death of Aristotelis Goumas

Death of Aristotelis Goumas

 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   Keep. Materialscientist (talk) 08:43, 2 January 2011 (UTC)


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 * This article isn't notable enough to keep it I think. Wikipedia isn't to describe each road accident that happend on 1 person. And the opinion of Vangjel Dule, the greek nationalist isn't on it's place here. He is known for his anti-albanian opnion.--Vinie007 11:01, 25 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albania-related deletion discussions.  —Vinie007 11:04, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albania-related deletion discussions.  —Vinie007 11:04, 25 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:NOTNEWS. Accidents that were forgotten like all other accidents aren't notable. Athenean created the article for the second time without community consensus, since it has been deleted before.--Kushtrim123 (talk) 00:36, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
 * The prior article was deleted without consensus by Black Kite with the edit summary "IAR deletion: probably a sock of a banned user; probably something that needs to be dealt with via Wikinews; if I am wrong, please DRV". Because there was no prior deletion discussion, the re-creation of the article is generally acceptable. cmadler (talk) 16:23, 28 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep The incident is of course notable, and was reported on by all the media in Greece and Albania, international media such as the Washington Post, and was commented on by the Prime Ministers of both countries. It caused outrage in Greece and riots by the ethnic Greek community of Himara, and has the potential to derail Greece-Albania relations (the mention of Albania's EU prospects by the Greek Foreign Minister is a not-so-subtle message to Albania to prosecute those responsible, or else). It was also mentioned in a recent speech by the Prime Minister of Greece. This is not the case with "traffic accidents". There is also much of a future here: A verdict will come in, which will cause outrage in either country depending on its outcome, a growing demand for change by the residents of Himara has begun which will lead to future developments. The incident represents a watershed moment for Albania's Greek minority, for which nothing will ever be the same again. There have always been incidents against the Greek minority in Albania, but nothing like this. Everything written in the future about the Greek community of Himara will mention the incident. The nom isn't making any valid arguments for deletion, this is just a case of WP:IDONTLIKEIT. The page is particularly disliked by Albanian editors and has been targeted before, and while I can understand the sentiment, that is not a reason for deletion. Athenean (talk) 03:09, 26 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment, this case has only lifted on the Greece media propaganda. (for example, the death of the Albanian supporter that was killed for celebrating the 2-1 victory on Greece wasn't under the media attention. Vinie007 13:27, 26 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep: Event is notable since it was reported by world wide media, affected the Greek-Albania relations and produced several statements by both Prime ministers. This has nothing to do with a 'car accident', and it could also had been added in wikinews.Alexikoua (talk) 21:39, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

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 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Greece-related deletion discussions.  —Alexikoua (talk) 21:40, 26 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep, Athenean said it all. A Macedonian, a Greek. (talk) 16:58, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep- per Macedonian.--BabbaQ (talk) 17:33, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Agree, I now think it must be kept --Vinie007 18:46, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I wonder if your sudden agreement has anything to do with an article you created today... or perhaps I shouldn't? ;) A Macedonian, a Greek. (talk) 19:03, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Nope, in our community's it's normal to admit the truth --Vinie007 11:35, 29 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep this is a notable record of the violation of the human-rights of Greeks in Albania. To be honest, I think the title of the article is tame. It should be "The Murder of Aristotelis Goumas". Nipsonanomhmata (talk) 09:40, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
 * As horrible and tragic as this case may be, until they are proven guilty it is not a murder. wacky  wace  17:43, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep as article crosses the thresholds for verifiability and notability. Neutral language is used throughout, at least to the eye of this uninvolved observer. - Dravecky (talk) 05:59, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep Has had a huge impact in multiple countries. Athenean put the case very well. wacky  wace  17:43, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment, yes i agree, but let's wait for the judges opnion! --Vinie007 20:48, 1 January 2011 (UTC)


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