Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Death of Berkin Elvan


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. Clearly we aren't going to delete this and its too soon to see whether we have a standalone article or an extended section in a wider article. Spartaz Humbug! 19:14, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Death of Berkin Elvan

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Classic case of WP:NOTNEWS. While tragic, this smacks of WP:RECENTISM for a non-notable individual. The usual media coverage following the death of a youngster. Salvage any meaningful content and merge it into the 2013 protests in Turkey.  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 14:55, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete Lots and lots of people have been hit on the head by tear-gas cannisters and then died, I doubt we have articles on most of them.John Pack Lambert (talk) 00:01, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Excuse me but you speak as if we live on a world full of flying tear-gas cannisters and deaths caused by them are more common than car crashes. Just how many people do you think may have died as a result of getting hit by gas cannisters? How many have you ever heard of? Just how many is lots and lots? 10 million? A hundred thousand? Few hundred? Well, I have only heard of a few and Berkin Elvan is one of them. But all in all, I don't think the total number of people who died in this fashion would be more than a few dozen at most, so your argument that "lots and lots of people have died this way so it doesn't warrant an article" is rather unfounded. 78.182.218.250 (talk) 21:13, 17 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Merge and Redirect to 2013 protests in Turkey. In addition to the valid points made by the nom and John Pack Lambert, there just isn't enough here to warrant a separate article. -Ad Orientem (talk) 04:03, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Merge and Redirect to 2013 protests in Turkey. not notable at all falls under WP:NOTNEWS Dman41689 (talk) 07:27, 15 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Comment I don't have the time right now to get this article up to scratch, but I just wanted to note that it's annoying we have to go through this every single time. It's quite clear that Berkin Elvan's death is going to be and has been a major catalyst in the resurgence of protests in Turkey. We had to do this dance with Khaled Mohamed Saeed, Neda Agha-Soltan, and so many others. AfDs like this are just such a waste of time when the effort could be better spent on improving the article. Silver  seren C 08:47, 15 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep Berkin Elvan is one of many victims in Gezi protests. However, it becomes a significant symbol for all activists and center of interest for international activists as well (Full page ad at New York Times ). Another good example is Faris Odeh. --Sbasegmez 09:09, 15 March 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sbasegmez (talk • contribs)
 * Keep. This death is one of the most prominent in the 2013 protests. --Esc2003 (talk) 12:36, 15 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Definitely Keep. This death has become one of the most talked about issues in Turkish politics for some time and it is not likely to be forgotten anytime soon. Due to the unusual circumstances surrounding it and the public outrage it sparked, this incident has become a prominent focal point for the international media as well and IMHO it would be totally unjustified and absurd to delete this article when for example a Rodney King one exists. 78.184.164.89 (talk) 17:46, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
 * WP:OTHERSTUFF. This is a non-notable stub and as equates to WP:NOTMEMORIAL.  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 18:08, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
 * And could you please outline the reasons as to why you may think Rodney King is notable and does not equate to WP:NOTMEMORIAL under the circumstances? I suspect your claim that this incident is non-notable stems from the fact that you read nothing about it other than the current stub on WP. 85.96.145.247 (talk) 20:53, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Furthermore, the WP policy you referenced is aimed at preventing people from creating pages about any odd person who died of natural causes etc. and is of no particular interest to anyone. However when the death of a 14 year old kid sparks nationwide protests leading to more deaths and injuries and his funeral attracts a bigger crowd (1.3 million people) than that of any Turkish president, PM or statesman perhaps with the exception of Atatürk, I believe that makes him rather notable. 78.180.194.76 (talk) 21:55, 15 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Strong keep The event is all over the news as the trigger for a whole new wave of protests. Certainly notable.99.226.44.125 (talk) 20:04, 15 March 2014 (UTC)


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 * Keep Berkin Elvan caused public indignation in Turkey. Protests are more extensive than other deaths of Gezi Park Protests.-- Sabri76' talk 20:41, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete or Redirect subject doesnt seem to have enough information for a stand alone article. Redsky89 (talk) 21:44, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
 * And could you please enlighthen us as to how thoroughly you've researched this topic to conclude that there is not enough information for a stand alone article? If this needs to be merged with or redirected to 2013 protests in Turkey, then surely Rachel Corrie should not have a stand alone article but needs to be merged with Israeli–Palestinian conflict no? Or why have a Lee Harvey Oswald article when it can be simply merged with or redirected to Assassination of John F. Kennedy? 78.184.164.39 (talk) 19:15, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
 * "Or why have a Lee Harvey Oswald article when it can be simply merged with or redirected to Assassination of John F. Kennedy?"" That's the worst reason I've ever read for keeping an article. Jesus wept.  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 19:18, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
 * How so? Do enlighten us please. Just how do you find Lee Harvey Oswald notable for anything other than his involvement in JFK assasination? How is he otherwise a notable person to warrant an individual article? And for contrast, I'd like to add that the reasons cited here are the worst I've ever read or can imagine anyone coming up with for deleting an article. 78.182.218.250 (talk) 19:26, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
 * The worst you've ever read? Under which other account do you normaly use?  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 13:08, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I am the author of all the anon posts above with the exception of the "Strong Keep" vote. Apparently my IP address changes frequently without my changing computers or resetting internet connection and that's obviously because I live in Turkey where the internet infrastructure has been recently tempered with to accomodate the wishes of the psychopathic PM of the country and his ilk. I believe the context makes it obvious that those messages were all written by me despite the different IP's, and the accusation of suck puppetry is fully unjustified.  78.182.215.227 (talk) 18:48, 22 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep Even though Berkin Elvan did not accomplish much in his short life, his name has symbolic value for many Turks and there have been mass protests reignited by his death. Also taking into account the public debate his death has relaunched and the comments made by Prime Minister Erdoğan, I think his name and death will be remembered for quite some time in Turkish political history. Instead of deletion I invite you to expand the article as it has been done in German and Estonian Wikipedia, for example. -- with greetings from et.wikipedia.org, Toomas (talk) 12:49, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep I agree with Toomas and many others who commented above in favor of keeping the article. Berkin Elvan was a 14 year-old individual and on his own as a kid, he might have been an insignificant individual in terms of notability but what happened to him and how he died, made him an important figure and therefore the claims that classify the article in question as non-notable are precisely irrelevant. Regarding to the example of JFK's murderer; although the contents of two stories are completely opposite and different in various ways, it is quite an accurate example because of the similarities in change of notability of said persons after the incidents, which I believe was the reason to give JFK's murderer as an example in the first place. If JFK's assassination happened now, wouldn't Lee Harvey Oswald become a notable and noteworthy person for an article in Wikipedia? Berkin Elvan's incident is just very recent that's all, but notable nonetheless. -- WikiBronze  [M]  17:36, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
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