Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Death of Corazon Aquino


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The result was   keep. Merging can be dealt with elsewhere. \ Backslash Forwardslash / {talk} 13:13, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Death of Corazon Aquino

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Contested prod. I don't quite understand why we have a "Death of" article here. There's nothing particularly notable about the death - not murder, not assassination, known or suspected. The death appears totally natural. It easily fits into the main article. merge any useful information into the main article and then delete. Tim Song (talk) 18:11, 1 August 2009 (UTC) — 122.53.98.48 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Delete a normal death with nothing to warrant its own article. Davidelit (talk) 18:18, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete: does not warrant separate article rest of the information can be merged to main article. --SkyWalker (talk) 19:09, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Wikipedia is not the news, and Wikipedia is not a memorial. As with the recent Resignation of Sarah Palin, this is an excuse for a large section called "reaction to ______".  I'm sure there's going to be someone who says, "The article about __________ will become way too big if we put all this in."  Not an excuse.  Mandsford (talk) 19:18, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
 * merge anything of use to the article on Corazon Aquino. I'm assuming of course, that there's information here that isn't already in the main article. if not, then a delete will be fine. Umbralcorax (talk) 19:30, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Merge useful content into Corazon Aquino. Notability of her death has not been established. (i.e. She is obviously notable, but this event boils down to an elderly person dying from natural causes. ) Wikipedia is not a memorial.  APK  that's not my name  21:02, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep and Expand - Considerably coverage has been given to her death particularly in the Philippines and the event itself has strong emotional impact with a lot of people. While it did not happen like a bang for instance an assassination, it still has a lot of relevance due to the coverage given to related preceding events such as her cancer. I suggest an expansion of the article and a rename to Health and death of Corazon Aquino which will give background to the event as well as everything surrounding it.--122.53.110.189 (talk) 00:41, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
 * P.S. Her death is not a "normal" death since it received coverage prior to the event itself.--122.53.110.189 (talk) 00:45, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Medicine-related deletion discussions.  -- – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 01:03, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Merge any useful content into Corazon Aquino. Wikipedia is not a newspaper or a memorial site. Edison (talk) 01:19, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom, or as a second choice merge per nom. I would like to express my gratitude that this article has not yet been filled with dozens of "international reactions" which are all substantially identical to each other. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 01:25, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment. While I agree that her death has had a very strong emotional resonance here in the Philippines, where the media coverage remains wall-to-wall, I also think the death by itself is not notable. I think the best model to look at here is Death and state funeral of Ronald Reagan, where the totality of events from death to funeral justified the article on the death from natural causes of an old man. I would delete/merge for now, and reassess after her funeral on Wednesday if someone creates a new article similar to that of Reagan, and if the events justify it. Strong keep, per Sky Harbor, Starczamora, Shrumster and candlewicke. Enough sources out there to approximate the massive impact in the Philippines of the death rites by itself. The funeral procession alone was 8 hours long and involved estimates of several hundred thousand people. --Anyo Niminus --Anyo Niminus (talk) 08:56, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep - I believe it is too early to tell whether the event is notable in itself or not. The event is still currently ongoing and further information would still occur so deletion would be premature.--122.53.98.48 (talk) 06:41, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Additionally, the article could be written like the Death of Mozart.--122.53.98.48 (talk) 06:57, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep for now - then merge later - We must keep for now because it is a current event. If the article doesn't improve, the useful information in this article should be merged with its main article Corazon Aquino. Estudyante (talk) 10:30, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep - The article is in current event mode, we'll merge it later if there are no significant things on the article that would make it inherently notable.-- JL 09 Talk to me!  14:06, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll change my comment, but still strong keep. Besides it gave deep and solemn gratitude towards the Filipino. Remember that Cory Aquino is a well-known democratic icon in Asian history, perhaps her initiated People Power Revolution resonated across oceans and caused, somehow, modeled into different countries like Nepal, Germany and some Communist states to do the same peaceful revolution. (Plus her role being the first Filipino and Asian woman to hold highest government position.) Say, her funeral procession, according to the Philippine National Police, by around 5:30 pm Philippine time, was attended by more than 300,000 crowd (and now it's 7:30 Philippine time now, and I guess it's growing) and that was a remarkable funeral ever recorded in Philippine history (first was being the assasination of her husband Ninoy Aquino, but I guess Ninoy's death in 1983 deserves an article at least especially that 26 years after, the gunmen and mastermind was not yet surfacing, his death initiated the People Power, and it was attended by 2 million crowd). Therefore, we must go hand-in-hand by expanding the article further. I agree to previous posts, Cory Aquino's death was due to natural death, but we have Gerald Ford's death which deals with natural death too, Ronald Reagan' death, Gabon's Omar Bongo (who had colorectal cancer as what Aquino had), and Canada's Pierre Trudeau, all of which had natural deaths: if this so, what is special about their deaths? (Noting that there are no much significant historical roles asserted to them) If these things deserve an article, why not for an important history icon? (Note that death section goes too long, and the whole article itself is now 63 kb long, and this is subjected for division per WP:SPLIT.)-- JL 09 Talk to me!  12:17, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

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 * Merge and redirect article into Corazon Aquino. ---kilbad (talk) 15:21, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Merge into Corazon Aquino. There is plenty of coverage surrounding her death that would make good content in that article, but the death itself is not notable in terms of having its own article. --Nick—Contact/Contribs 19:18, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep and Merge. Complete the article here and put it into the main article as a subsection. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eaglestorm (talk • contribs)
 * Merge to Corazon Aquino. Most of the data in here is already present in the subsection of her death. we can just expand on that one to accomodate new data. the reactions can also be condensed into a smaller section, since the reactions of various leaders are unanimous Flamerounin (talk) 09:16, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Also, we can just distribute all the other details that will appear later to other sections, such as legacy or achievements. This will make it easier for readers. Flamerounin (talk) 09:25, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Strong Merge. Easier for readers is the most important thing. Unless size contraints force splitting (a la Michael Jackson), then it is better for readers to find this information all on the page of the person. The death of every higly notable person will have many many reliable sources covering it with todays media, but that is not a reason to split all deaths into separate articles. Yob  Mod  09:29, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Expasnsion. This requires expansion because the cause is not thorougly explained and other facts should be added, too. Ryomaandres 14:06, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Merge as per some comments above. Unlike Michael Jackson's death, there's nothing controversial about the circumstances surrounding her death, so I think there's nothing else onto which one goes deeper. - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 15:47, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep- I believe that there is enough information out there for the article to stick unfortunately most of it is restricted to the Filipino audience so unless a devoted Filipino Wikipedian is willing to contribute that information may be stuck there in space. Anyway state funerals of heads of state usually get their own articles so why shouldn't hers count?--122.53.98.48 (talk) 16:12, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete A "typical" death (unlike Assassination of Benazir Bhutto) that does not warrant a spinout article. Madcoverboy (talk) 16:40, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep A president of the Philippines was 'not' welcomed to the funeral and a State Funeral was refused. This is notable. --Ancheta Wis (talk) 22:30, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep. If you insist that the article about the head of state of an Asian coutnry be deleted, then I might as well nominate all the articles on the death of former US presidents deleted as well, since they also contain the same information that you think should make this article deletable. Having said that, I propose that all information about the circumstances surrounding her death and all other information relating to the funeral plans---including the masses of over 100,000 people who witnessed the transfer of her remains to the Manila Cathedral (not every deceased US president can boast of having commanded a crowd that many on their funerals)---be included on this article as well, as this has received a very significant amount of coverage, even from the international media. --- Tito Pao (talk) 00:59, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep or Merge to the death section, although some foreign leaders expressing Aquino's death by some news channels. ApprenticeFan  talk  contribs 01:48, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Rename and refocus to an article that covers the wake and funeral. The death is not really notable, but the wake and funeral seems to be quite notable. --seav (talk) 05:49, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmm...now that makes more sense. A rename/move would be more like it. --- Tito Pao (talk) 06:43, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

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 * Keep and rename to Death and funeral of Corazon Aquino a la Death and funeral of Ronald Reagan, et al. Originally, as I was looking through the article, I was about to vote for its deletion as it is true that cardiopulmonary death as a result of colon cancer is indeed not notable. However, the fact that people have gone to her wake in droves, the subsequent controversy over Aquino refusing a state burial and the impending funeral (which is tomorrow) is enough motivation to allow this article to stand.  In this case, the funeral is most certainly notable, and the article should be renamed to reflect the current state of affairs. --Sky Harbor (talk) 09:50, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. Nothing that can't be covered in the main article. TheCoffee (talk) 13:41, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Rename and keep this article as per Sky Harbor, speedy delete this one. In fact, the "Death" section is getting long in the Corazon Aquino article, yet the info on that section is not in the spinoff article. – Howard  the   Duck  16:02, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep and Rename to Death and Tribute to Corazon Aquino as per title by 23prootie.---122.53.98.48 (talk) 18:54, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment - The outline of the article should follow that of tl:Ang Pagpanaw at Parangal kay Corazon Aquino in the Tagalog Wikipedia based on the Death of Mozart.--122.53.98.48 (talk) 20:42, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. Nothing remarkable about the manner of her death, eg not an assassination. Her death should just be a coda in the main article. The "international reaction" is just cruft, such comments follow any leader's death. WWGB (talk) 03:24, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep and Rename: As per Sky Harbour, in fairness with the article Death and state funeral of Ronald Reagan, whose death can be considered just as "(not) remarkable" as Aquino's. However, the importance of her death for "uniting the Filipino nation once more" can be prominent in future years, depending on its actual impact on the attitude of the Philippine government towards corruption and progress. Truflip99 (talk) 09:48, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep and Rename: Agree with what Truflip99 said, the article is important like Reagan, John Paul II and even Michael Jackson. Not to be bias, the article is a historical event. Rizalninoynapoleon (talk) 11:18, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep and Rename into Death and Funeral of Corazon Aquino. With the deluge of coverage that is being held in the Philippines, we can say that it is notable enough.  We can also include how different media outlets delivered the coverage, such as the live web streaming by GMA Network (which was incorporated on Facebook a la CNN.com, a first in local media).  We can also include the flaks that happened during that period, like what the dimwit Willie Revillame did over Wowowee. Starczamora (talk) 12:27, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. While the death itself may not be that notable, the wake and funeral events definitely were. Massive crowds, crazy media coverage, a bit of controversy all boil down into an interesting and quite encyclopedic story. Shrumster (talk) 17:09, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep per Sky Harbor. I agree that this at worst has had a similar impact to other death articles mentioned (and certainly more so than Reagan and possibly Omar Bongo too) and there is enough information available to merit this article. -- can  dle &bull; wicke  17:21, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep. As per previous comments re: "Death and funeral" articles. However the current name (with the addition of "tribute") seems a bit much, while that is technically what is going on. User:Mav-TGIF 03:50, 6 August 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.244.243.96 (talk)
 * Strong Keep - The length of this discussion is an obvious proof of the notability of the event. - User:23prootie 11:22, 6 August 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.53.110.189 (talk)
 * Keep after rename. I am now persuaded that the new developments following the initial nomination justified a keep. I disagree, however, that the length of the AfD discussion can somehow be a proxy for notability. Tim Song (talk) 11:56, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Request closure Seeing as now even the nominator has supported retention, I think it's right to finally close this AfD. --Sky Harbor (talk) 13:01, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
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