Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Death of Jane Bashara


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Kudos to the various editors who greatly improved the article during this discussion. joe deckertalk to me 22:58, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Death of Jane Bashara

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does not meet WP:VICTIM, WP:EVENT or WP:PERSISTENCE. all these guidelines trump WP:GNG. yes there was a spike of coverage with the discovery of body and her husband named as person of interest but this is a run of the mill murder. LibStar (talk) 01:59, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete. Death of non-notable person, WP:BIO1E. WWGB (talk) 03:31, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Michigan-related deletion discussions. WWGB (talk) 03:31, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. WWGB (talk) 03:31, 10 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep Since the article is about the death/murder (not about the victim), the relevant guideline is WP:Criminal Acts, not WP:VICTIM. Here, a search for "Jane Bashara" shows that this criminal act remains the subject of widespread media coverage, and not just locally.  Coverage even in the UK (Daily Mail) and ABC and CBS News, for example.  The article does need updating to reflect later developments, including the arrest and release of the handyman and other more recent developments. Cbl62 (talk) 13:48, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
 * A search for "Jane Bashara" actually comes up with 131,000 google results. While truly remarkable, of course, the number doesn't by itself show the event's notability without delving into the nature of the coverage.  After looking, it's clear the case has received deep and persistent coverage in multiple, reliable mainstream media sources, not just locally, but also regionally, nationally (including the national news networks -- ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, Fox), and internationally (including International Business Times and the Daily Mail).  A tiny smattering of examples of the coverage include: (1) "Now police search home of mistress in probe into murdered marketing executive Jane Bashara, Daily Mail (UK); (2) Grosse Pointe Murder: Joseph Gentz Arrested in Death of Jane Bashara, ABC News; (3) Handyman indicted in murder of Detroit woman Jane Bashara, husband a person of interest, CBS News; (4) Police reportedly eyeing husband in Detroit executive’s murder, MSNBC (Today Show); (5) Jane Bashara Update: Plot Thickens In Murder Case, Huffington Post; (6) Who is Jane Bashara? 5 Things About the Michigan Mother Found Strangled to Death, International Business Times; (7) Handyman charged in strangling death of Detroit marketing executive Jane Bashara, Fox News; (8) Latest developments in Jane Bashara murder investigation, Morning Sun; (9) Grosse Pointe murder: New twist in Bashara case, The Detroit News; (10), The Detroit News; (11) Grosse Pointe Murder: Mistress's House Searched, ABC News; (12) Griem says new person of interest in Jane Bashara's slaying, The Macomb Daily; (13) Suspected accomplice in Jane Bashara's death promised $8k, Cadillac, The Oakland Press; (14) Was Jane Bashara's death a conspiracy? Charge against handyman suggests others involved, Detroit Free Press; (15) Bob Bashara may be charged in wife's slaying, Daily Tribune; (16) Jane Bashara murder: Joe Gentz arrested for death of Grosse Pointe Park mother, Associated Press; (17) After arrest, Jane Bashara murder probe expands, Detroit Free Press; (18) Bob Bashara Hires His Own Investigation Team To Probe Jane Bashara's Murder In Detroit, Huffington Post; (19) Jane Bashara's clothing missing, never turned over to Michigan State Police Forensic Lab, WXYZ TV; (20) Friends honor slain Park woman, Grosse Pointe News; (21) Reactions to the Jane Bashara case go viral, giving ignorance and fear a voice, Grosse Pointe Today; (22) Jane Bashara Found Dead in Her SUV, ABC News; (23) New allegations surface in Bashara murder, Nancy Grace (Headline News); (24) Jane Bashara Murder Mystery Deepens, ABC News; (25) 'A significant roadblock in search for truth and justice': Clothes Jane Bashara was wearing when she was murdered are missing after funeral home 'threw them out', Daily Mail (UK); (26) 'I did not kill my wife': Husband of Jane Bashara faces allegations in new interview, days after prime suspect is released by police, Daily Mail (UK); (27) Man denies murder-for-hire in wife death, CNN; (28) Blood found in Bashara garage, CNN; (29) New allegations surface in murder case, CNN; (30) Investigators question Jane Bashara's children in her murder investigation, MSNBC; (31) Strange twists in case of murdered Detroit executive, MSNBC (Today Show).  Cbl62 (talk) 14:38, 10 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep - per WP:Criminal Acts. And user Cbl63 research finding so many reliable sources which shows it has been receiving continued coverage.--BabbaQ (talk) 16:53, 10 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment - It always makes me sad when more work goes into a notability defense than into the original crappy article itself. Carrite (talk) 17:26, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
 * agreed. why don't people bother to improve articles? LibStar (talk) 00:40, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree that the article needs improving rather than deleting. If you want to split the work 50/50 on this one, I'd be happy to participate.  What do you say? Cbl62 (talk) 00:57, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
 * LibStar -- WWGB and I have begun work on improving the article. Your help would be welcome. Cbl62 (talk) 03:16, 11 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep - The murder was mentioned in national news media of 2 countries.--Toddy1 (talk) 17:54, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
 * "national news media of 2 countries" is not a criterion for notability. LibStar (talk) 00:40, 11 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep This is an article about a crime and its investigation, and not a bio article, so some of the deletion reasons given by the nominator or others are inapplicable, such as it failing WP:VICTIM, or WP:BIO1E. It satisfies Notability (events), the applicable notability guideline, with the multitude of instances of extended coverage noted above by Cbl16, starting Jan 26 and continuing through this week, including extended coverage in US national news media as well as British news media. Given this persistent coverage, it is surprising that the nominator says it fails [WP:PERSISTENCE. The national and international coverage is not just because of the method of murder or the special qualities of the victim. The case has numerous factors which have kept it in the news, such as a reported confession by one person, reported conspiracy charges involving other persons, and the reported existence of a person of interest having a mistress and an "open marriage," reports of a whips and chain SM dungeon, and the police reportedly sending the bloody clothing of the victim to a funeral home along with the victim's body,  (where the clothes were destroyed) rather than  analyzing the clothing as evidence.  Edison (talk) 18:56, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep Widely reported. Reported not due to the nature of crime but also investigative failures making it potentiallu useful reference material. Possibly rename to Murder 139.149.1.230 (talk) 14:44, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.