Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Death of Nelson Mandela


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep per WP:SNOW. I'm not averse to having this deletion discussion a couple of weeks from now but there's absolutely zero point in nominating this article for deletion so soon after its creation. I'm not sure why people continually insist on nominating high-interest articles for deletion so quickly. Just work on improving it for the time being. Alex Muller 17:41, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

Death of Nelson Mandela

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Overlong and nonnotable. All there is the dreaded "reaction syndrome" where editors think it is ok to just jam massive amounts of quotes into articles. Whoever does this should slap themselves silly. We don't care if everyone responded to this news. Beerest 2 talk 22:50, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep, I can see reasons you'd want to improve the article, (and "overlong" is a fixable complaint), but "nonnotable"? Do you really think an event notable enough to be the main pictured "In the news" entry on the main page is not notable to have its own article? It's absurd to say "there are too many quotes from heads of state about this event" and at the same time say "this event is nonnotable". – Quadell (talk) 23:04, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep. If a quote farm is not what we want here at Wikipedia, then let's work to change the format of the article. Surely the death of Mandela is notable. Reactions from world leaders can be summarized. So can reactions by celebrities, other notable figures, etc. What major events were held around the world is his honor? The funeral, the public gatherings, other memorial services, etc. I agree that the article needs work, but just deleting it is not the answer. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 23:25, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh! I should probably disclose that I started the article. Sorry. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 23:33, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep I also hate when articles consist solely of quote farms, but this is Nelson Mandela we're talking about here. Article in its current state is pretty poor, but I think this'll evidently pass WP:EVENT.  Taylor Trescott  - my talk + my edits 23:32, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions.  Jinkinson   talk to me  23:49, 7 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep and rename to Death and (state) funeral of Nelson Mandela which is the standard procedure for these kind of articles: Margareth Thatcher, Hugo Chavez etc. Iselilja (talk) 00:06, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep and rename per Iselilja. This event and upcoming event has been the top news story internationally so it easily passes notability standards. -- Neil N  talk to me  00:37, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Snow Keep and Rename This is a substantially notable article with issues that can be fixed by editing. I'm calling for a Snow Keep because no one has voted for deletion besides the nominator and there is no way the page is actually going to be deleted. Spirit of Eagle (talk) 00:49, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep and rename to Death and Funeral of Nelson Mandela. It is very ridiculous that there is even a discussion for deletion. It is the de facto norm for very important people especially famous monarchs and presidents to have their own article in wikipedia for death and funeral as noted by Iselilja. Deaths of such important people are quite rare (maybe 1 in few years) and they all deserve their own articles. I am sure the person who proposed deletion has never seen such an article on wikipedia. Maybe we should start having an option to do a thorough check for articles with similar scope on wikipedia and only then flag an article for deletion. Many a times, deletion flags are raised by people who have no idea that many other articles with similar scope exist already on wikipedia.  Gurumoorthy Poochandhai   01:12, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep per everything Taylor Trescott said.  Rcsprinter  (constabulary)  @ 01:13, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Snowball Keep per the above; see Death and state funeral of Jack Layton for a similar notable case.Vulcan&#39;s Forge (talk) 01:22, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Snow Keep per WP:BEFORE, his death passes WP:EVENT - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 04:14, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Strong keep – in addition to the above reasons for not deleting the article, it's got some notable material merging which with the parent article will clearly clutter the latter. Cinosaur (talk) 05:32, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Strong keep. We already have other articles specifying the deaths of certain notable people, so why delete this one while well sourced?--Jusjih (talk) 06:13, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Strong keep. Very notable death as he was one of the world's most prominent figures in world history. However, once more coverage surfaces (such as his funeral and the period of mourning) then renaming the article should be strongly considered. MasterMind5991 (talk) 07:44, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete this, and all similar. Just a quote farm. If readers want to know all the great things he's done, that's what Nelson Mandela is for. There, the facts are presented in a far more neutral and far less repetitive way. Any actual events (death, funeral, new memorial buildings named for him, days of mourning) can easily fit there, too. InedibleHulk (talk) 09:35, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep. Per Quadell's comments.— Frank Boy Face-smile.svg 12:02, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep - for now. Let this grow for a while until after the funeral, then trim it back. If there's not enough left for more that a start-class article, merge it back. But for now, keep it here to save cluttering. Sophie means wisdom (talk) 12:18, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep and rename to Death and state funeral of Nelson Mandela, as per Iselilja. There are formats for articles of this nature (please see Death and state funeral of Hugo Chávez) wherein they have the following format:
 * 1 - Illness and Death Here, we would discuss any of the health problems that Nelson Mandela was contending with that lead up to his death, there are literally thousands of articles from South African articles that will detail it.
 * 2 - Reactions This is where we would put all the quotes, respectively in the order of Domestic (South African reaction), International (The reactions of the governments of other countries), Supranational (The reaction of governing bodies which are not necessarily countries, such as the EU, FIFA, African Union, NATO etc) and Individuals (The reactions of other politicians, celebrities, activists, humanitarians and other notable persons who are notable, in this case, we would assume it is an individual who has a Wikipedia entry).
 * 3 - Funeral This would be information regarding the actual funeral. When, where, how, was the body laid in state, were there any large memorial services leading up to it? (I know there will be one at Soccer City on 10 December 2013). Here, we would also list the notable persons who were in attendance as well as describe any impact the funeral might have had on the national, regional and domestic scale in terms of socioeconomic and political aspects.

Nelson Mandela's funeral is going to be a huge affair and it definitely, certainly, most assuredly is notable enough to have its own article, and as such, the article should be improved to meet the standards that other statesmen's funerals' articles get. Aleksandar Bulovic&#39; (talk) 13:13, 8 December 2013 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.