Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Debbie Cook


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The result was   keep. j⚛e deckertalk 19:54, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

Debbie Cook

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Debbie Cook was a city council member and mayor of Huntington Beach, California, who made an unsuccessful run for the US House. She has not held a notable office, candidates for US house are not notable as such, and nothing else pushes her over the notability threshold.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:29, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Redirect- To United States House of Representatives elections in California, 2008, where she is already listed with the results until she or someone with the same name passes the notability threshold; could have been attempted prior to AfD. Dru of Id (talk) 20:53, 23 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Undecided. What's the rough cutoff size for cities with respect to mayoral notability? WP:POLOUTCOMES states "Mayors of cities of at least regional prominence have usually survived AFD." Also, the Huffington Post article "Debbie Cook and Larry Kissell: Two Progressive Democrats for Congress" dedicates two paragraphs to her. Clarityfiend (talk) 20:59, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Two paragraphs in one publication is not indepth coverage, especially not in multiple sources. That is routine coverage for congressional candidates, but that does not merit creating aritcles on the subjects. Huntington Beach is not a city of the level that the mayor is default notable.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:34, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Actually, while Wikipedia policy does not explicitly define any specific arbitrary population cutoff for the notability of mayors, the criterion for mayors is much looser and more flexible than the one for city councillors. In actual fact, mayors are quite frequently kept for cities in the 50K-100K range, and are virtually always kept for cities anywhere above 100K (which Huntington Beach is). Individual city councillors require a city population approaching or exceeding the millions range; mayors do not. Bearcat (talk) 18:33, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 13:54, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 13:54, 24 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Needs sourcing improvement, but mayors are considered notable enough for Wikipedia articles in cities the size of Huntington Beach; since by definition a mayor represents a whole city and not just one neighbourhood within it, the inclusion standard for mayors is much looser and allows them to pass our inclusion rules in much smaller cities than the cutoff for city councillors does. And since Huntington Beach is in Orange County, which is an area that's very well-covered by sufficiently reliable media sources, there's no valid reason to believe that the sourcing couldn't be quite easily improved. Flag for refimprove, but keep. Bearcat (talk) 18:33, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica1000 04:14, 1 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep - Mayor of a city like Huntington Beach is easily notable. Even without the Congressional race I'd still !vote "Keep." A ton of coverage was found while she was mayor and a serious candidate for Congress but is was also very easy to find in-depth coverage even years before and after she was mayor and Congressional candidate.--Oakshade (talk) 16:24, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
 * With extremely rare exceptions on the order of Christine O'Donnell (i.e. "national media firestorm"), no amount of coverage makes a congressional candidate notable enough for a Wikipedia article if they haven't ever won election to an office notable enough to have an article on that basis. So while she is notable enough for inclusion here, that's exclusively due to the mayoralty itself and the congressional race has nothing to do with it. Bearcat (talk) 22:08, 6 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep. Not much significant coverage, but there is some. Being the mayor of a city with 200,000 people should also confer notability. --Jakob (talk) (my editor review) 14:27, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep - while I would probably lean to a bare keep for a mayor of a city of 189,992, she has had enough media coverage to push her well over the limit. This is a regionally notable city, and her other political activities add to her notability. Bearian (talk) 17:22, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
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