Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Debra Shopteese


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The result was delete. Tone 08:07, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

Debra Shopteese

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I see no evidence of notability. It could probably be realistically claimed hat the first Native American to sit on a state court is notable, but I do not see how that extends to " first Native American to sit on the Massachusetts District Court", Nor are judges of such courts generally notable -- they'e trial courts, not appellate courts, much less state supreme courts--I would be prepared to say anyone who has been a judge of a state's highest court can be assumed to be notable.

Nor is there anything here to show special notability: 3 mere listings, and one very local paper, the Patch edition for Jamaica Plain, MA, included under the heading of "Neighbor News", with the caption "This post was contributed by a community member. The views expressed here are the author's own"  with the by-line, "Andrew McFarland, A Neighbor"-- in other words they printed it, but it had no editorial control of any sort--the definition of an unreliable source  DGG ( talk ) 03:33, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
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 * Delete: Agreed in every respect. Quite aside from that, the claim that a state with courts stretching back nearly 400 years has never before have had a Native American -- or, at least one with as much native blood as the subject actually possesses -- as a judge in any capacity is farcical, never mind merely questionable.  (Hell, if the Globe AND the Times AND the Post signed off on it, I still wouldn't buy it.)   Ravenswing      13:42, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete a non-notable local level judge. This "first x to do y" is getting to the level of the absurd in this case. Bear in mind the USA had its first Native American Vice President in 1929. Larry Echo Hawk became the first Native American elected to a state wide constitutionally created office in the 1980s. The suspicion on this article is all the more wise because the Wampanoag and other Native American groups in Massachusetts were detribalized in the 17th-century, and have struggled to maintain even their identifies. It is telling that this woman is part of a group originating in Illinois and currently having a reservation in Kansas. Although her claim to Native American status seems to be valid as opposed to Elizabeth Warren's claim, the Elizabeth Warren factor makes claims of this nature ones that need reliable sources.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:28, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Well said.   Ravenswing     22:18, 20 April 2020 (UTC)


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