Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Deception IV: Blood Ties


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   redirect to Deception series. Mark Arsten (talk) 01:32, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Deception IV: Blood Ties

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WP:NOTCRYSTAL applies, specifically the section concerning upcoming product announcements. Eggishorn (talk) 19:37, 8 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep: Can you please explain how WP:CRYSTAL is relevant, and how it overrides notability? This game is a revisit of one of Tecmo Koei's biggest Japanese titles back in 1996; the original was a major hit in Japan, and is considered one of Tecmo's original successes. How is this game not notable? If there is a shortage of information, keep in mind that there is no deadline, and that content expansion is always possible. -- benlisquare T•C•E 10:00, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Reply to issues raised. In the same way that coverage of upcoming albums can notability requires more than "game company X accounced Y" coverage that tends to be little more than barely-rewritten press releases.  Having a big name behind the game I don't feel helps matters much, either.  The game industry in particular is prone to vaporware, especially in the import market.  I would wait until at least a shipping date was announced before I created such an article, just to see if it was possible for the game to make an impact.  Too many Duke Nukem 3D's have taught me that glowing coverage of future games should be treated with great skepticism.  But that's why I listed this game here, so that the community could discuss the issue and other parties could weigh in.  Eggishorn (talk) 13:37, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
 * This game is due for an early 2014 release, which isn't too far away at all. The game is well-covered in third-party sources: here is a google.co.jp search for "影牢 ダークサイド・プリンセス". Notability is established via coverage by third party reliable sources, and the current problem is a lack of detailed information, and not notability. Referring to the "import market" is irrelevant, as the United States is not the centre of the world, and the nation of Japan has human inhabitants as well. -- benlisquare T•C•E 01:24, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of video game-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 14:49, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Japan-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 14:49, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Games-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 14:49, 9 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Merge + Redirect to the series article. To benlisquare - generally we don't create articles simply on the product announcement (though creating a redirect is fine). We need a bit more "meatier" coverage of the game, such as concern gameplay and story details, or aspects of its development, so that we have third party, secondary sources that go into why the title is important. The game doesn't have to be released for that to happen, but that does show there's interest in it.  --M ASEM  (t) 14:55, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
 * If worst comes to worst, then a merge and redirect is fine as well. Once more information becomes available (in the form of third-party reliable sources), information can be gradually accumulated for an article to be split off again. (This is by no means a request for early closure though; let the AfD go through the full process.) -- benlisquare T•C•E 00:34, 10 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Bushranger One ping only 14:53, 16 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Redirect to Deception series until there are reviews about the game. Preserve the article's history please, since it'll be recreated as soon as this game is released, there sure to be coverage.  All the results I find for this game in my searches show product announcements, and nothing else.  Since they didn't interview anyone, or talk about the game at all, just announced it was going to come out, there is no significant coverage as of yet.   D r e a m Focus  19:30, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
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