Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Declaration of the Breakdown of Chile’s Democracy


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the debate was delete. --Ezeu 16:37, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Declaration of the Breakdown of Chile’s Democracy
Apparently there was a dispute on the article's talk page about a former speedy deletion of this article, so I took it to AfD instead of the prod I originally put on it. Anyways, the text already resides on Wikisource now and can be removed from Wikipedia, as Wikipedia is not a repository of source texts. TheProject 05:13, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete not necessary for Wikipedia. Yanksox (talk) 05:24, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete If extant on Wikisource then it is not required on Wikipedia.  (aeropagitica)    (talk)   06:17, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete, redundant to article on Wikisource. --Coredesat 06:28, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. This article looks like it was made with a little copying and pasting. --Danielrocks123 07:24, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Robertsteadman 09:20, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. I'm going to buck the trend on this one, since there's a summary in the intro. Delete the full text, but since this article is linked from the first (?) paragraph of the Salvador Allende article, the summary should be kept around. Bear in mind that a rather large number of articles link directly to this text. Alternatively, change the Salvador Allende article so the link points to wikisource. Let's not leave loose ends hanging around. Captainktainer * Talk 21:59, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Have you been to the Wiki source page? It's the exact same. Yanksox (talk) 22:41, 19 June 2006 (UTC)


 * A split "vote" from me, if someone can write a proper article on it; Keep per Captainktainer, if not; Delete as redundant to wikisource. Would prefer the first though. -- E ivindt@c 09:06, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete - Redundant. ☆ CieloEstrellado 23:53, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete and whoever oversees the wikisource should review the text. Has Chile published an official English translation, has the UN or some reliable source? I just read the 1st paragraph and the English is a rather loosey-goosey translation of the Spanish (which I assume would be the official version upon which the parliament voted). A bad translation in wikisource is a quality control issue, may be misleading and may reflect some POV. Carlossuarez46 01:25, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Just for fun I put the first paragraph in babelfish to see what an NPOV but not fluent translator would come up with:

That it is essential condition for the existence of a State of Right that the Powers Public, with total respect at the beginning of reciprocal independence that governs them, they fit his action and they exert his attributions within the marks that the Constitution and the laws indicate to them, and that all the inhabitants of the country can enjoy the guarantees and fundamental rights that she assures the Political Constitution to them the State;

versus, the article's translation.

That for the Rule of Law to exist, public authorities must carry out their activities and discharge their duties within the framework of the Constitution and the laws of the land, respecting fully the principle of reciprocal independence to which they are bound, and that all inhabitants of the country must be allowed to enjoy the guarantees and fundamental rights assured them by the Constitution;

I would like to see whether other Spanish and English bilinguals would really translate "un Estado de Derecho" -- in capitals in original -- as "Rule of Law" as opposed to a "State of Law" with a clear focus on the State rather than the legalities of the situation. It changes the whole meaning of para. 1 and there may be other issues in the remaining paragraphs, too. Carlossuarez46 01:34, 21 June 2006 (UTC)


 * KEEP Virtually within minutes of the article being created, it was the target of, first, attempts by vandals to delete it entirely, then to "bury it under rug" via other means (such as moving the text of the Resolution, stripped of all context whatsoever, to Wikisource). 35 years after his denoument, Saint Allende's followers are still "cleansing" the history of Chile...at least in English, at any rate.--Mike18xx 16:36, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.