Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Deep Run Marching Wildcat Band


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was Redirected to Deep Run High School where there is already a paragraph about the band.  BLACK KITE  01:05, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Deep Run Marching Wildcat Band

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This high school marching band does not appear to meet the notability criteria. Prod removed without comment by creator. FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 16:28, 17 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep This page should not be deleted because the Deep Run High School Marching Band is very important.  It marched in the London New Year's parade, representing Virginia's Jamestown, Englands first permanent settlement.  Also, there are many other wikipedia pages that have information on College and High School bands so there should be no reason for deleteing this page.  -1337donald  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 1337donald (talk • contribs) 16:39, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * NOTE: This opinion to keep is by the article creator. - CobaltBlueTony™ talk 16:52, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Irrelevant that the vote to keep is by the creator. Mykej (talk) 17:12, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Reply You might find it helpful to carefully read the notability criteria for musicians.  Which specific part of these criteria does this band meet?  What three independent sources can you add that will confirm that? -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 16:42, 17 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete per above. - CobaltBlueTony™ talk 16:52, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete non-notable; WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS not a valid argument for retention (we should be deleting it too). -- Orange Mike  |  Talk  16:53, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete article that lacks sufficient notability as prescribed in WP:N . Mh29255 (talk) Mh29255 16:57, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Strongly delete - article is not notable per WP:N and WP:MUSIC. There is nothing remotely notable about this particular high school marching band as it has been doing what every other U.S. high school marching band has been doing for decades: competing & performing both domestically & abroad. Related article about this high school band's director has already been deleted. Mh29255 (talk) 19:02, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

**Keep - how is it not unique? This band has represented Virginia for its 400th year. It was selected from a pool of hundreds of Virginia HIgh School Bands. That's just like saying the queen visiting Virginia wasn't important. -1337donald —Preceding unsigned comment added by 1337donald (talk • contribs) 18:10, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep Notable enough Mykej (talk) 17:16, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep I added more sources -1337donald —Preceding unsigned comment added by 1337donald (talk • contribs) 17:16, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete - legitimate sources were few and far between, and all local. There is nothing unique (WP:N) about the staff or this band.  The Band Director has a page, which is about to be speedily deleted.  I am a former mrching band member, and this band has done nothing unique (sorry to say that ... the trip to London is cool, but not unique). LonelyBeacon (talk) 18:02, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Note The article for the band's director has been speedily deleted. Mh29255 (talk) 18:23, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * NOTE: This is the second comment to keep the article by the article's creator. - CobaltBlueTony™ talk 18:37, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * comment If some irrelevant foreign wearer of pointy hats visited Virginia (I'll assume she did; no reason for you to lie about it), it certainly would not be notable enough to merit a Wikipedia article. -- Orange Mike  |  Talk  18:16, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment There are thousands of individual high school marching bands in the U.S., many of which perform in various civic parades & professional sporting events. Hence, there is nothing notable about this particular high school marching band that is doing what thousands of other bands are doing.  Mh29255 (talk) 18:17, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * commentThis was on an international level, not a local level. The 400th year of Virginia is important because James town was the first permanent English Setlement.  It is such a huge deal that the Queen of England visited.  This band was chosen to visit London to represent Virginia.  It is a big deal for Virginian history. -1337donald
 * Comment And you think that this particular high school marching band is the only marching band to ever perform outside of the U.S.? Sorry, but that's been going on for decades and is not notable. Mh29255 (talk) 18:26, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment One reason that the conflict of interest guidelines ask us not to create articles about our own bands, is that we all find it difficult to accurately estimate how important our own groups are. In this case, you have overestimated the importance of your marching band, which, while no doubt very good, is less important than the bands that an encyclopedia needs articles about, bands like the Fightin' Texas Aggie Band.  Notice the kinds of sources that article has.  Can you add similar sources to this article? -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 18:35, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

7. Has become the most prominent representative of a notable style or of the local scene of a city;
 * Delete per WP:MUSIC. -- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 18:19, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment I still do not see why this article is considered for deletion. It has met requirements on WP:MUSIC.

9. Has won or placed in a major music competition. -1337donald —Preceding unsigned comment added by 1337donald (talk • contribs) 18:54, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * comment #8 is for notable styles and local music scenes; this is just another school band; #9 is for major music competitions, not the kind of school band competitions that take place by the hundreds every year (my little sister used to be in those). Face it, donald, you're too close to the subject and have lost perspective. I hope the Wildcats do well; but they're just not notable. -- Orange Mike  |  Talk  19:00, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment Marching in a 400th year parade is a notable accomplishment. There are some bands out there that are prominent, just like the Deep Run Band, who do not get to march in notable parades (Cavalier Marching Band) -1337donald
 * You've now fully explained why you think this band is notable, and you've added the sources that you think prove it. You don't need to add any more comments to this discussion now, unless you find a new source that you want to draw attention to.  If your band truly is notable, that will be clear from your reasoning and your sources, even to someone who isn't a member.  If it isn't, then further comments won't change the evidence.  Thanks! -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 19:08, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete NN per WP:BAND Mayalld (talk) 21:39, 17 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Smerge (selectively merge) to the article Deep Run High School which already mentions the band. The refs in this article fail to prove notability by lacking independence from the subject, by not being reliable sources, or by being mere directory listings.  Sounds like a fine band, and should be appropriately mentioned in the article about the high school . School pride does not trump Wikipedia policies and guidelines. Edison (talk) 02:26, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment There is too much information to just have a small mention on the school page. It should have its own page so that much more information can presented. -1337donald  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 1337donald (talk • contribs) 15:33, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment Another viewpoint is that there is too much info in the present article, relative to the notability of the band. A few sentences in the school's article would be sufficient to tell Wikipedia readers what they should know about this fine high school band. Edison (talk) 02:28, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete as non notable. Falls well short of WP:MUSIC. Nuttah (talk) 15:03, 22 December 2007 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.