Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Deep Stealth Productions


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was keep. The sources from the debate should be integrated into the article; will leave a note on the talk page. Mango juice talk 00:49, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Deep Stealth Productions

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I deleted this on 22 Feb, with the following reason: "WP:CSD and WP:CSD -- article doesn't cite verifiable, reliable/third party sources, no strong claim of notability, possible promotional article; feel free to relist at WP:AFD if you disagree." I recently received an apparently good faith request from User:Andrea Parton to restore and list at AfD; she's said she believes the subject would satisfy CORP (or some other notability guideline), and although she hasn't yet offered any evidence to support this, the request seems to be made in good faith, so here we are. – Luna Santin  (talk) 22:14, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Weak Delete - barely notable. If reasonable references can be found (I don't like the weasel words "has been involved in production" - a peon of an intern is "involved") I would be swayed. Otherwise, it seems like most of it can be merged into the articles of the main two people (which I assume User:Andrea Parton would be willing to do - userfy it into her space). There also seems to be some serious POV issues with the image name Image:Andrea Calpernia two of the most wonderful and charismatic women in the world.jpg &mdash; RevRagnarok  Talk Contrib 17:39, 6 April 2007 (UTC)


 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached  Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Daniel Bryant  03:05, 7 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep - Deep Stealth Productions had a major role in producing The Vagina Monologues with an all-transgender cast and making the film "Beautiful Daughters" about the production.  They were also consulted in the making of the feature film Transamerica.  The video Finding Your Female Voice, produced by Deep Stealth, appeared in the opening scenes of Transamerica and is a widely used resource by transsexual women seeking to feminize their voices.  So put simply, the company is well known among the transsexual community and has received some attention in much wider circles as well.  I am giving my opinion only because this has been such a quiet discussion so far.  Andrea Parton 03:22, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
 * "Had a role in producing" and "were consulted on" aren't exactly the most tangible claims to notability (though, to be fair, they are claims -- I'd just prefer something more solid). As far as I can tell, most everything I've seen written about them is self-written -- it's true they seem to have had an article of some sort in The Advocate, and that does give me pause... but it was a profile they seem to have written themselves, and I can't really find anything else, so I'm not so sure about it. I will confess I'm not "in" with the transsexual community -- if they're well-known, there, could you provide some evidence of that? – Luna Santin  (talk) 00:35, 8 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Weak keep primarily on the basis of the above comment; and I urge her to edit the article to give some continuity to their apparently random projects. DGG 06:57, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment This has been a very quiet discussion so far.  Andrea James e-mailed me a list of links to websites not run by Deep Stealth Productions but where they are mentioned.  Although others involved in this discussion may be aware of some of these websites, I am going to make links to all of them here, so that anyone interested in joining this discussion can look at the websites and judge for themselves whether Deep Stealth Productions is notable enough for its own article.

Links:


 * IMDB http://www.imdb.com/company/co0004206/
 * http://www.sfbaytimes.com/?sec=article&article_id=4510
 * http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1589/is_2003_July_22/ai_109270098
 * http://www.outandequal.org/summit/2006/2006FeaturedSpeakers.asp#Transamerica
 * http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5246222
 * http://www.theinsideronline.com/celeb/3828/

I have provided these links for your information only. Hopefully we will be able to reach a consensus. And when I have time, I will work on improving the quality of the article.

Andrea Parton 04:03, 12 April 2007 (UTC) 
 * &emsp; Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached  &emsp; Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,


 * Delete sadly, probably a worthy endeavour, and involving our very own user:Jokestress (one of the few "notable Wikipedians" who is actually notable for something notable, but lacking in independent non-trivial sources. Guy (Help!) 13:43, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep Andrea's demonstration of notability is sufficient. No more is needed. - Denny  ( talk ) 16:30, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Weak keep But I'd like to see an editor step up and reinforce the claims of notability. If what the article says is true, there should be a way to present it more convincingly. - BierHerr 17:24, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep per refs provided by the Andreas. The Bay Times article mentioned the company has done consulting work for CSI, but this doesn't appear in the article. I consider this a significant assertion of notability, so it should be added to the article, preferably with some specifics. Caknuck 19:16, 20 April 2007 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.