Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Deepak Sathe


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Air India Express Flight 1344. Any usable content may be merged from the page history. T. Canens (talk) 05:16, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Deepak Sathe

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BLP1E clearly as this person fails WP:NMIL ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 10:30, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 10:30, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
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 * Delete. Not notable in life, crashing his plane does not convey notability. WWGB (talk) 11:40, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions.  evrifaessa  ❯❯❯  talk  12:50, 8 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete. Not known in life until the plane crash. Many IAF pilots get awards from government and Wiki need not keep details about everyone. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 17.233.97.34 (talk) 04:03, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep: More points of Notability added with reference. He was the Squadron leader which took action in Kargil War and he was part of Golden arrow squad other than the tragic incident which took his life. Reference added Jehowahyereh (talk) 14:22, 8 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep. Credentialed in own right. Captain of newsworthy vessel. Will remain in focus as the events are studied. Article can do with some edits though. Ktin (talk) 14:23, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:BLP1E and WP:NOTNEWS. Not notable before plane crash and all sources are about his death, which does not establish notability. sixty nine   • whaddya want? •  15:06, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment WP:BLP1E won't stand as he is not alive Jehowahyereh (talk) 05:26, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Wrong: "WP:BLP1E should be applied only to biographies of living people, or those who have recently died". WWGB (talk) 05:54, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment WP:BLP1E does not apply to material concerning people who are confirmed dead by reliable sources. Here there are almost 100+ reliable news articles confirming his death. So WP:BLP1E won't stand. Jehowahyereh (talk) 13:17, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I didn't say anything about WP:BLP1E. I said that WP:BLP applies to this individual, and it does, per WP:BDP. Even though he's deceased, Wikipedia policy continues to treat him as a living person for the time being, as far as the very strict rules regarding what is and is not permissible. Joefromrandb (talk) 19:26, 9 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete fails WP:SOLDIER and WP:GNG as WP:BLP1E, his death can be covered on the crash page.Mztourist (talk) 17:43, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment WP:BLP1E won't stand as he is not alive Jehowahyereh (talk) 05:26, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Wrong: "WP:BLP1E should be applied only to biographies of living people, or those who have recently died". WWGB (talk) 05:54, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment WP:BLP1E does not apply to material concerning people who are confirmed dead by reliable sources. Here there are almost 100+ reliable news articles available online confirming his death. So WP:BLP1E won't stand. Jehowahyereh (talk) 13:17, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Wrong and responding to every comment that you disagree with doesn't strengthen your argument or convince anyone, its Don't bludgeon the process. Mztourist (talk) 03:37, 10 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Weak delete (or redirect) It's not unreasonable to think that enough refs could be uncovered that he would eke by. As it stands, WP:BLP applies to this person, and as such, I believe erring on the side of deletion is appropriate. Joefromrandb (talk) 18:53, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment WP:BLP1E won't stand as he is not alive Jehowahyereh (talk) 05:26, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Wrong: "WP:BLP1E should be applied only to biographies of living people, or those who have recently died". WWGB (talk) 05:54, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment WP:BLP1E does not apply to material concerning people who are confirmed dead by reliable sources. Here there are almost 100+ reliable news articles available online confirming his death. So WP:BLP1E won't stand. Jehowahyereh (talk) 13:17, 9 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Strong Delete This individual doesn’t at all meet Wikipedia’s criteria for notability and you can’t just create a page of a pilot who crashed a plane everytime, if that was the case please go and create page for every single pilot in every crash till today, also many of them had far more notability and military role, especially the Russian ones but even then they don’t have a article of there own!! So please delete this unless this applies to every other pilots out there! Vallentunar (talk) 8 August 2020 (UTC)
 * This rationale is nothing but straw-man arguments and "other stuff exists/doesn't exist" rhetoric. I'm in favor of deleting this article, but nonsense like this is not at all conducive to a deletion discussion. Joefromrandb (talk) 00:37, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * well tbh in what way shall i make any further argument to add to it? from what i see, the details of this page should be included in the page for the accident as part of the body or a subcategory, not a page in itself because the individual doesn’t note any notable significance to receive a page! Also I am new on Wikipedia so apologies if I don’t know how things work in deletion talk — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vallentunar (talk • contribs) 00:59, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * It is I who owes you an apology. I should have considered that possibility, but alas, I'm an asshole. I'd prefer to discuss this at your talk page (or mine), rather than clutter this page with further back-and-forth that isn't germane to discussion concerning this specific article. Your comments were obviously made in good faith, and I apologize for being such a miserable fuck. Joefromrandb (talk) 01:36, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete - one event Spiderone  21:49, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep - 4th and 5th points of WP:SOLDIER met. He has commanded a troupe for Kargil war. Jehowahyereh (talk) 05:19, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Additional comments are fine but you don't get to vote multiple times in a single discussion. As such, I have stricken the redundancy. Joefromrandb (talk) 05:43, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Sathe led a squadron (aviation), that is, 12–24 aircraft. To satisfy WP:MILPERSON, the subject must lead a formation "two levels above a squadron". So, requirement not met. WWGB (talk) 06:05, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment WP:BLP1E does not apply to material concerning people who are confirmed dead by reliable sources. Here there are almost 100+ reliable news articles available online confirming his death. So WP:BLP1E won't stand. Jehowahyereh (talk) 13:17, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment Sathe had no press coverage until his death in this particular plane crash. BLP1E definitely applies. And please stop harassing users whom you don't agree with by reposting your same response over and over again. Much appreciated. sixty nine   • whaddya want? •  16:27, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment I was making my valid points and I thought I have to reply to them individually.Sorry if it acted as harrasment for you. I have been polite in my comments as well. Between WP:BLP1E clearly says it is not applicable for people who are confirmed dead by reliable news sources. So can you please point out how WP:BLP1E is applicable here ? Jehowahyereh (talk) 17:35, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * WP:BLP applies to recently deceased persons, under the WP:BDP clause. Therefore, the article (as well as anything about this individual that is discussed anywhere else on en-Wiki) is subject to the WP:BLP policy, and as such, WP:BLP1E is a perfectly reasonable criterion against which to measure notability. Joefromrandb (talk) 23:35, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * CommentThen why it is clearly mentioned in WP:BLP that it is not applicable to dead person whose death is confirmed by reliable news source ? and why the heading is Biography of Living people ? and why can't it be Biography of People ? Jehowahyereh (talk) 04:00, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Read the first THREE sentences of WP:BDP and you will find the answer. WWGB (talk) 04:12, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * The answer to your first question is: "it isn't". Your second question is answered above by WWGB. As for your third question, well... ... all donkeys are asses, but not all asses are donkeys. Do you see? Joefromrandb (talk) 05:04, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment Yes I got the answer from WP:BDP, it is exactly same as my contemplation and understanding. It says "Such extensions would apply particularly to contentious or questionable material about the dead that has implications for their living relatives and friends, such as in the case of a possible suicide or a particularly gruesome crime" which means WP:BLP cannot be applied here Jehowahyereh (talk) 05:10, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Honestly, can you not see this: "The only exception would be for people who have recently died, in which case the policy can extend for an indeterminate period beyond the date of death". Sheesh! Anyway, the closing admin will apply the correct policies and guidelines, and will not be swayed by your misinterpretation. WWGB (talk) 05:24, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Comment Deepak Sathe is a recipient of President's Medal, I have added with reference in the page Jehowahyereh (talk) 05:14, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * ... awarded by the president of the National Defence Academy, so essentially a training award (and it does not have a Wikipedia article). WWGB (talk) 05:38, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * President’s Medal is not a distinguished service honour given in India, unlike the ones given for service/on line of duty. As WWGB mentioned, it is given to cadets by the aforementioned military academy, NDA, so it doesn’t count as being notable.  Vallentunar  (talk)
 * comment It's not given by President of NDA, It is given by President of India. Here is a reference article - |PresidentMedal Jehowahyereh (talk) 13:49, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * That is not correct. The article merely says the President attended the passing-out. It does NOT say the medal is awarded by him. WWGB (talk) 04:40, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment Removed from the page as they're non-notable and do not have articles. sixty nine   • whaddya want? •  18:48, 10 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:BLP1E, or WP:1E if you are insistent on not counting this as a BLP (as one user seems to be). Only notable for the crash. And I've read the rest of this thread, so please don't respond by repeating exactly the same arguments. Joseph2302 (talk) 07:42, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment : He commanded Mobile Air Defence Missile Unit in Kargil War and was instrumental in developing AWACS, India thus passing 4th, 5th and 6th points of WP:NMIL Jehowahyereh (talk) 05:15, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Sathe did not lead a command, as required for notability; India failed to develop an AWAC system. So, wrong, wrong, wrong. WWGB (talk) 05:32, 11 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete - Not meeting the requirements of WP:SOLDIER. There might be 10000's of soldiers involved in Kargil War from both sides, just being the part of a major war doesn't bring notability. A case of WP:BLP1E. Considering the major event, we may consider to redirect to Air India Express Flight 1344 - The9Man  ( Talk ) 07:15, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment : Deepak Sathe will receive State Funeral given to honour people of national significance, added with reference in article Jehowahyereh (talk) 10:33, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Granted by a state, not the national government, so national significance not established. WWGB (talk) 11:18, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for at least admitting the State significance Jehowahyereh (talk) 13:26, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Jehowahyereh, not sure why you're hellbent beyond belief at wanting to keep this article, but you need to chill. Your harping on almost every comment or vote that you don't agree with is tiresome and disruptive to the discussion, and you're clearly not changing anyone's mind on the topic. I'm not telling you to shut up altogether, but instead to let things take their course. Thanks. sixty nine   • whaddya want? •  17:17, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
 * , Today, I learned a new way to say shutup, politely :) - The9Man  ( Talk ) 06:12, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

*Delete Textbook definition of BLP1E. Accesscrawl (talk) 14:57, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge to Air India Express Flight 1344. It is arguable if he meets BLP1E or not, mainly because he is known outside a single event. I still don't think that other events brought him significant coverage thus I am supporting merge. Accesscrawl (talk) 04:07, 18 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete, just known for the crash. Maybe redirect to Air India Express Flight 1344. Vici Vidi (talk) 07:02, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, there's really nothing contentious or BLP-problematic there, so I've amended my vote to agree that redirecting is an acceptable outcome. Joefromrandb (talk) 00:19, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Not opposed to redirect either as it's a plausible search term Spiderone  13:50, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, good point, which means even if there were BLP or other issues, Delete and redirect would be best. Pinging my old friend User:WilliamJE, since he was the one who nominated the article; if William agrees that "Redirect as a plausible search term" is an acceptable outcome, I think we should all be able to go home early. There's obviously clear consensus that this should not be a standalone article. Joefromrandb (talk) 07:40, 15 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Merge since the subject has received media coverage primarily for the flight crash, it be merged into Air India Express Flight 1344. TheBirdsShedTears (talk) 15:58, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment: As per https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons#Notes it says the policy WP:BLP does not apply to people declared dead. Jehowahyereh (talk) 18:27, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
 * That policy literally says that recently deceased people count as BLP: "The only exception would be for people who have recently died, in which case the policy can extend for an indeterminate period beyond the date of death—six months, one year, two years at the outside." Also, it's been 9 days, so hopefully an admin will be along to delete this soon. Joseph2302 (talk) 18:43, 17 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Redirect to Air India Express Flight 1344. There is reliable source coverage that this person did achieve important contributions in their life prior to flying with Air India but important contributions are not the same thing as notable ones.  The only coverage of these events is after-death coverage related to Flight 1344 and that means that WP:BLP1E certainly applies.  NB to : I have already read your frequent and repeated objections above and find them unavailing.  Please do not reply to this post unless you have something significantly new to add. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 03:02, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment: Movie about Plane crash announced with leading actor as Deepak Sathe Jehowahyereh (talk) 16:42, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge. Clear-cut WP:BIO1E. –Roscelese (talk &sdot; contribs) 20:41, 18 August 2020 (UTC)


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