Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Degarts Utar


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was delete as a hoax.

Degarts Utar

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Stuedgar created this page, claiming that Utar was briefly leader of the Knights Templar, but I did not know of any such person, and I can't find him mentioned anywhere. The page on templier.net given by Stu does not exist, and Utar is not mentioned in David Nicolle's "The Third Crusade 1191", in which Stu claims to have read two paragraphs about him. He gave another reference to a book by Peter Edbury but does not know which book it was; I am pretty familiar with Edbury's work so I am sure Utar is not mentioned in any of his books either. I looked at all the books I own about the crusades or Templars, as well as all the Templar books (both scholarly and popular) at my local Chapters, and Utar is nowhere to be found. Stu says he got this info from a professor, so perhaps the professor is making things up, although I can't explain why Stu says he read two non-existent paragraphs in Nicolle's book. I was also suspicious because "Stuedgar" is an anagram of "Degarts Utar", if you add another A and R, and because Stu says "Utar" is also spelled "Uktar", which is a month in one of the Forgotten Realms calendars. (By the way, Stu's previous Joe Jacks article is probably nonsense too, despite the failed AFD.) Adam Bishop 16:39, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
 * delete pending verification from reliable sources. Pete.Hurd 16:54, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Note: "Degarts Utar" in an anagram of "Stuart Edgar" not "StuEdgar". Note also, Stuedgar has been warned for making vandalistic edits to unrelated articles in the past . Pete.Hurd 19:18, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Ha, I didn't even think of "Stuart", that's even better! Adam Bishop 20:13, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I think Joe Jacks deserves another AfD, or DRV. IMHO, it should have come out like Articles for deletion/Ben Brett did.  Plus, can anyone verify that Fisah Ketsi is for real? Pete.Hurd 19:50, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Probably not, since its captain, Ted Sugar, is another anagram of Stuedgar. Adam Bishop 21:12, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
 * And also, Fisah Ketsi is an anagram of "shit is fake". Adam Bishop 23:30, 8 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete, probable hoax, sourceless in any case, even the name sounds made-up.-- Nydas (Talk) 17:43, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete, unless properly sourced. 0 Gscholar and Gbooks hits. Stammer 18:31, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Nevermind, I deleted this and Stu's other articles as obvious hoaxes. Adam Bishop 23:40, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.