Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Degen Kasper


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The result was redirect to Miss Alaska Teen USA. (non-admin closure) Natg 19 (talk) 20:23, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

Degen Kasper

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BIO sourced only to the sponsoring organization. Other then one winner who went on to some business notability many years ago, this is the only winner of Miss Alaska Teen USA with an article. That suggests strongly this article should be deleted, and if not deleted, redirected as suggested in WP:NOPAGE. Legacypac (talk) 07:38, 9 December 2015 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Redirect per nom. Not enough here for a stand-alone article. Jacona (talk) 15:20, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete Winners of teen pageants are not notable for that alone, at least at the state level.John Pack Lambert (talk) 06:52, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 07:21, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 19:18, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Alaska-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 19:18, 16 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete This pagaent gets more atention on Wikipedia than it does in Alaska itself. Winners are not automatically notable and nothing here indicates to me that this particualr winner was notable for some other reason. A redirect does not seem warranted as this is not really a likely search term. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:59, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete – A search for the exact term turns up all of 516 hits, almost entirely Wikipedia mirrors or social media promotion with scattered hits for Kaspersky Antivirus 2016. The only thing even coming close to substance was unavailable to view because of its derogatory nature.  As for the nominator's statement "Other then one winner who went on to some business notability many years ago, this is the only winner of Miss Alaska Teen USA with an article", you must have overlooked Brandee McCoskey, an article in the exact same boat as this one.
 * I take it the first part of the nominator's statement referred to Linda Fickus. I haven't previously disclosed this, but unfortunately, that article isn't in terrible shape due to COI.  It was created and largely written by her sister, Deborah Luper.  I have also worked on that article: their mother was my daughter's great-aunt, plus I have other familial ties to the Fickuses going back to the 1970s.  Luper herself is a former Miss Alaska USA and the far better known of the two sisters.  However, she had a public feud with the city government of Wasilla and then-mayor Dianne Keller some years back, as a result withdrawing from political activity and returning to the law enforcement profession, so she may be seeking to avoid the kind of exposure/publicity a Wikipedia article can bring.  The mention of "some business notability" further illustrates how Wikipedia often gets it wrong.  The real notability there lies in the Fickus family as a whole, specifically WRT their living/the children's upbringing out in the middle of nowhere.  By the 1960s and 1970s, living on a homestead hundreds of miles from civilization had become more a stereotype of Alaska (no doubt reinforced by popular media of the day such as North to Alaska, Grizzly Adams, Beach/London/Service adaptations, etc. etc.) than a realistic way of life.  The Fickuses earned quite a bit of media attention over the decades for their rural lifestyle, but I dunno if much or any of it can be found on the web — the last such piece I remember reading was published in 1996. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions  10:16, 18 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Redirect to Miss Alaska Teen USA as suggested by the nominator and for the usual reasons - unlike as suggested by Beeblebrox, this is a reasonable enough search term (at the risk of invoking WP:OTHERSTUFF, if Predator Plane can survive at RfD, then this too clears plausibility), it avoids somebody coming along and going "oh, there's nothing here! I'll (re)create it", and redirects are sufficiently cheap that they do, as I recall, take up less server space than an outright deletion does - hence the saying "redirects are cheap". - The Bushranger One ping only 12:05, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Indeed I missed the third Miss Teen Alaska, and it is a nothing burger of an article too. Just sent it to AfD as well. Articles for deletion/Brandee McCoskey I've found that the National level of this pageant has not been televised for years now, moved to YouTube. I've also looked through the Miss America Teen lists and they don't get articles either, unless there is some other reason for becoming famous. Legacypac (talk) 14:18, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fashion-related deletion discussions. clpo13(talk) 20:08, 20 December 2015 (UTC)


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