Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Del Pepper


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The result was keep. Eddie891 Talk Work 14:22, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

Del Pepper

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BLP of a long serving council member and several times vice mayor of Alexandria VA. Her political career does not amount to a WP:NPOL pass. She may be a GNG pass but the Washington Post coverage here is really “local” so this is doubtful. Bringing here for consensus. Mccapra (talk) 03:17, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Mccapra (talk) 03:17, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Mccapra (talk) 03:17, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Virginia-related deletion discussions. Mccapra (talk) 03:17, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep per GNG. The articles about her retirement are particularly persuasive and go well beyond routine campaign coverage. WaPo pieces are acceptable whether or not they're local: WP:LOCALINT was rejected. pburka (talk) 03:41, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete clearly fails notability guidelines for politicians and the fact that the local paper is a notable national one does not change the fact that their coverage of this subject is an example of local political coverage that does not lead to notability.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:50, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep as the original author I still think that she has had quite a few pieces written about her over the decades, is mentioned in dozens of news stories, has been recognized by the VA legislative branch (just added to the article). Some of the articles, particularly the AIDS-rights bill seems to go beyond just local even if written by the WaPo. Browsing through other city council members who have active, long standing pages hers seems at least middle level notable (and above average for most city council members who don't go on to hold higher office). Skynxnex (talk) 02:09, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Enos733 (talk) 03:24, 23 August 2021 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete local coverage (even from the Washington Post) does not suffice to establish notability. The AIDS-rights article was focused on the policy itself, not Pepper's role in enacting the policy. Edge3 (talk) 19:27, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Bungle (talk • contribs) 07:20, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep The "local coverage" criterion as applied to people was discussed at Wikipedia talk:Notability (people)/Archive 2019 where it was advocated in relation to "write ups in very obscure sources, like city-wide or parish-wide magazines". The criterion was not included even for that very limited scope. If it had been incorporated by analogy with WP:AUD it would be the narrow circulation of the newspaper, not whether the person is only known close to the place of publication, that would matter. WP:N and WP:NPOL are guidelines and people are free to disregard them if they like but to claim that references by the Washington Post are to be discounted is firmly against our guidelines. Thincat (talk) 09:56, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep – I'm not aware of any applicable guideline in this area that prohibits the use of local coverage: NPOL is quite clear that meeting the GNG is enough, and WP:AUD-style restrictions on the GNG have been rejected numerous times. And coverage like this and this is certainly enough to meet the GNG. There's thus no guideline-based reason to conclude that Pepper is non-notable: after all, we're not paper, so there's nothing preventing us from including well-sourced articles like this one. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 00:40, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep, She has received a significant amount of coverage in the Washington Post, and it is not our job to arbitrarily declare that it does not count since she is from the D.C. Metro area. Jackattack1597 (talk) 11:38, 6 September 2021 (UTC)


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