Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Demetrios Alexatos (2nd nomination)


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The result was Keep. (non-admin closure) – Davey 2010 Talk 00:22, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

Demetrios Alexatos
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Quoting the first AfD nomination by : Does not meet WP:GNG or any other part of WP:Notability. The Bronze Wolf award has been given to at least 430 people, and it is clear that he has some significance within the scouting movement, but nothing that I can see makes him clearly notable. It has been claimed that serving on the World Scout Committee and serving as the Camp Chief of a World Scout Jamboree make him notable; however, there is a lack of significant coverage in reliable sources to establish that he is notable, WP:NRVE. —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 15:55, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 19:14, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Greece-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 19:14, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. North America1000 20:54, 24 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment – Possibly selectively merge to Scouts of Greece § Distinguished members, which already has some content about the subject, and this is also a valid search term. Source searches are not providing enough coverage to meet WP:BASIC. North America1000 20:55, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Strong keep-The previous deletion was a bad call by a semi-retired admin who couldn't properly spell inherent and who disregarded Deletion guidelines for administrators when there was no clear outcome, two very good arguments for keep (better one being serving as the Camp Chief of a World Scout Jamboree, which is very rare accomplishment (only 23 people), one "I'm not seeing it" delete and one "me too" delete. said "Nothing different to suggest things have changed"-I submit designing the current World Scout Emblem, used by the world's largest youth movement, worn over 40 million participants  Enough notability is in the article to say it's worth looking into deeper. I have written the Scouts of Greece to get more information, it is starting to come in and I am adding it to the article as it comes in. JJMC89, it's nice to finally see your true motives come out after a week of badgering this article.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 01:33, 25 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep-I'm thinking Keep, not because of the positions that he held with WOSM, but rather the fact that he held a National level position with Scouts of Greece.Naraht (talk) 02:52, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Weak keep I've taken a quick look over the article.  He is definitely of major significance to the Greek Scout organization.  Admittedly that isn't a huge organization (18,000 current members but given the political changes in Greece over the decades numbers could have been much higher in the past when the king was patron).  He has also served significant roles within WOSM which is certainly a major international organization (World Jamboree Camp Chief, World Scout Committee for 6 years [the max allowed, if I'm reading things correctly]).  However the sources are a bit weak but good ones are likely to be not readily accessible.   I would give the editors some time to see what they can find.  Ideally they'll gain support from someone who can actively mine the Greek sources.   --Erp (talk) 02:57, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete, and nothing weak about it, quite a clear case. The majority of the "sources" cited appear to be based on private communications and thus don't even satisfy WP:V; they certainly cannot be used to justify notability. The claims of importance of the subject in Greek Scouting are not convincing, given the fairly small size of that organization and the fact that it is a youth organization. Ultimately, notability in such cases needs to be convincingly demonstrated on general WP:GNG grounds, that is, by detailed in-depth specific coverage by multiple independent reliable sources. Such coverage has not been brought to light here. Nsk92 (talk) 03:10, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
 * The "sources" as you say are meant to be a stopgap while I research for better material, they are basically markers for saying HOLD ON I AM ON THE PATH OF FINDING STUFF! and would certainly be replaced when I find the reliable documentation that does exist.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 07:42, 25 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep - Receiving the Bronze Wolf Award is certainly a notable achievement, as fewer than 350 awards (not 430 as claimed in the first AfD) have been presented in the award's 80 year history. Alexatos also lead the Scouts of Greece for 17 years. Yes, the article needs to be cleaned up, but that is not what AfD is for. — Jkudlick • t • c • s 07:37, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep-I think keep, for all reasons that have already been stated. As it is, it meets minimum standards and at least one person says it is still a work in process.  Give it some time and if after a few months it hasn't established more notability, then merge it into another article.Marauder40 (talk) 13:34, 25 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment – Perhaps Alexatos meets WP:ANYBIO per being a recipient of the Bronze Wolf Award. North America1000 16:18, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you for finding that passage, I'd never seen that one before! He actually meets criterion 1 twice, as well as criterion 2!--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 02:10, 26 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep per Marauder40. --evrik (talk) 17:52, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep Alexatos meets WP:ANYBIO and serving as the Camp Chief of a World Scout Jamboree, which is very rare accomplishment''' (only 23 people) --Egel Reaction? 10:48, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep any of the reasons mentioned above (Bronze Wolf, Camp Chief of World Scout Jamboree, head of the Scouts of Greece) would lend to notability on their own, but combined it makes it pretty clear cut to me as a case of meeting WP:ANYBIO. TonyBallioni (talk) 02:28, 28 October 2016 (UTC)


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