Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Democracy North


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to CFRO-FM. Merging content at editors' discretion.  Sandstein  17:20, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

Democracy North

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Delete. Poorly sourced article about a single-station local radio program, whose only substantive claim of notability is that it was once named "Best Local Radio Program" in an alt-weekly's annual "best of city living" reader poll. That does not constitute a WP:NMEDIA pass in and of itself, but there's no evidence of reliable source coverage being shown here -- the references are entirely to primary sources, such as content authored by the program's host rather than about the program's host, and even that reader poll claim is sourced to the program's own website rather than to the publication that conducted the reader poll. So there's simply no grounds for inclusion here, as neither NMEDIA nor WP:GNG has been met at all. I'm also batching the separate standalone BLP about the program's host, which isn't sourced any better — four of its six sources are the same sources that aren't cutting it in the show's article (you don't make a person notable as a writer by "citing" his book to itself), and the other two are a press release on a journalism trade organization's website and a WordPress blog, so there's no reliable sourcing being demonstrated there either. Bearcat (talk) 18:37, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of British Columbia-related deletion discussions. Bearcat (talk) 18:38, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Radio-related deletion discussions. Bearcat (talk) 18:38, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 07:15, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep, the program is an award winning journalistic show, and the page includes adequate sources. It seems to be a major big city (Vancouver) investigative journalism show, a rare breed nowadays, and its guests, including First Nation advocates, seem prominent. All of these aspects, taken together or separately, make the program notable. Randy Kryn 15:50, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Where does the article include any "adequate" sources, exactly? Four of the five are primary source content written by the program's host, not reliable source coverage independent of the program, and the only other source is a deadlink still on the program's own self-published website about itself. Exactly zero of those sources contribute anything toward notability. Bearcat (talk) 18:08, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –  Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 02:25, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Redirect to CFRO-FM (the originating station) though admittedly the details about this show on that article are thin.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 07:43, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete Democracy North. I can't source it. Sources 1., 2., and 3. are about a book written by someone described on this page as a producer at this station; I cannot see that they talk about the show or confirm that he produces it.  Source 4. links to another book.  but listing a book without giving the page # or a quote from the book is not definitive sourcing. Source #5. is a dead link. Which leaves us without a single usable source (unless someone can find a substantive discussion of this program  in one of those books that supports notability)E.M.Gregory (talk) 16:11, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
 * delete Derrick O'Keefe. My searches found a number of press releases that appear not to have been picked up by any media.  Also a number of of articles that he wrote.  Where there may be notability is in the fact that he helped write ("with") a political; autobiography, listed as by "Malalai Joya with Derrick O'Keefe."  And he wrote a book about Michael Ignatieff that got a couple of reviews  in mainstream places.  But not sufficiant to establish notability for O'Keefe.  E.M.Gregory (talk) 17:01, 15 January 2017 (UTC)  To me, both article appear to be WP:PROMO, but feel free to ping me if someone can source it.  I cannot.E.M.Gregory (talk) 19:35, 24 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Took another swing at sourcing it. The number of hits on searches for "Democracy North" + radio  looks encouraging, until you realize that after the first self-sourced page to this small radio program, the hits are to radio interviews with a political organization called Democracy North Carolina and to radio interviews containing sentences like "on our democracy," North Carolina Gov. Pat McCrory..."E.M.Gregory (talk) 19:24, 24 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Sources now in Democracy North
 * Source #1 is a book by O'Keefe
 * 2 is an interview by O'Keefe on a website/small magazine he edits
 * 3 another article on the same interview by O'Keefe in the same mag Rabble.ca
 * 4 is a different book by O'Keefe
 * 5 is a deadlink to coopradio.org which broadcasts Democracy North.E.M.Gregory (talk) 19:33, 24 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Democracy North is a non-notable podcast.E.M.Gregory (talk) 19:38, 24 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Redirect to CFRO-FM after adding some of the content here to that article, which currently doesn't even link over. Matt Deres (talk) 03:43, 26 January 2017 (UTC)
 * But, is there a reliable, secondary source connecting this program to CFRO? ( I understand Democracy North as a podcast with an assertion of being a joint venture - perhaps only briefly, or only proposed)  Also, there would have to be secondary source coverage of Democracy North to justify a redirect.  I haven't found any.E.M.Gregory (talk) 09:39, 26 January 2017 (UTC)


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