Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Democrat In Name Only (6th nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Drmies has some strong arguments, but the consensus clearly is not with him. Randykitty (talk) 13:38, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Democrat In Name Only
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Rationale is the same as before – non-notable neologism, see WP:NOTDICT, WP:NEO and Use–mention distinction. Some AfD participants previously !voted to merge, so I proposed a merger in October 2018. Two editors have since commented to oppose it, and no one supported it. Today content about DINO was removed from the RINO article. All of this leads me to believe that a merge is inappropriate, especially since this article consists of only two sentences. w umbolo  ^^^  18:05, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 00:52, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 00:52, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
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 * Comment, previous afd results:
 * Articles for deletion/Democrat In Name Only - "keep"
 * Articles for deletion/Democrat In Name Only (3rd nomination) (no "2nd"!?) - "delete"
 * Articles for deletion/Democrat In Name Only (4th nomination) - "keep"
 * Articles for deletion/Democrat In Name Only (5th nomination) - "keep"
 * in case editors are curious. Coolabahapple (talk) 01:02, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
 * The reason for the omission of 2nd nomination is that the article originally had another title and was nominated in 2005 at Articles for deletion/Republican/Democrat In Name Only. Also the 3rd nomination was taken to DRV at Deletion review/Log/2007 November 21 which closed as relist (which became the 4th nomination). SpinningSpark 00:19, 15 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep Bad article, but notable article based on previous AfDs. Deletion is not cleanup. SportingFlyer  T · C  01:30, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep article needs upgrade, but sourcing exists. Below are a few copy pastes from a quick gScholar search.  gNews gets lots of hits, too .  Sometimes we spend too much time arguing, and too little time upgrading stubs.
 * No True Scotsman. TW Manninen - Bad Arguments: 100 of the Most Important …, 2018 - books.google.com… For another illustration, we turn to contemporary American political discourse, where the pejorative acronyms RINO and DINO (Republican‐in‐- name‐only and Democrat‐in‐name‐only, respectively) are commonplace and commonly attached to high‐ranking officials of either …
 * Democrats for Life: Pro-Life Politics and the Silenced Majority K Day - 2006 - books.google.com … one issue. By contrast, I am sometimes met with distrust from my friends on the Democratic side who think that I am not a real Democrat or a DINO (Democrat In Name Only). These two questions led me to write this book. The …
 * Running on Empty: How the Democratic and Republican Parties Are Bankrupting Our Future and What Americans Can Do About It PG Peterson - 2004 - books.google.com … Senator Joe Lieberman, a thoughtful reformer, has been labeled a “DINO” (Democrat in Name Only) by party activists—in abject' imitation of the GOP's “RINO” (Republican in Name Only) label.  At the very least, President Bush has done the nation a service by waking ordi- … E.M.Gregory (talk) 21:39, 2 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Note that the last time we ran this drill, Articles for deletion/Democrat In Name Only (5th nomination) the close was KEEP and the discussion featured long lists of WP:RS from which a proper article can be built.E.M.Gregory (talk) 21:43, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
 * WP:HEY, page is now a short, sourced, accurate stub.E.M.Gregory (talk) 09:56, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep: Article subject is notable and meets WP:GNG. Should be improved, not deleted. --1990&#39;sguy (talk) 15:02, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. I looked at all the previous AfDs, and checked a whole bunch of the sources in the 5th one--guess what, they are brief mentions, and some are not mentions at all. What matters not is whether these terms are dropped somewhere (they are, no one is denying that), but what is lacking is any decent discussion--and that includes the citations above by EM Gregory. Drmies (talk) 01:56, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Were you able to access p. 376 of Bad Arguments: 100 of the Most Important Fallacies in Western Philosophy, the No True Scotsman argument? I ask because the DINO sentence at the bottom of p. 375 was interesting,  (No True Scotsman is an unusually great name for a sub-species of sophistry,) but it did look as though it was the lead in to a more detailed discussion.E.M.Gregory (talk) 13:08, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: With this being the 6th (well... 5th since there really was no 2nd) - I truly feel that more discussion is needed. Drmies just brought some valid points and a decent discussion is needed here.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Dus<b style="color:#00F">t</b><b style="color:#60C">i</b>*Let's talk!* 07:06, 7 April 2019 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * WP:HEY I revisited after reading Drmies comment, and took a look at the history of this term of opprobrium, which has been with us at least since William Jennings Bryan ran against William Howard Taft in the 1908 United States presidential election.E.M.Gregory (talk) 14:31, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   17:57, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep per SportingFlyer, E.M.Gregory and 1990&#39;sguy. WP:AFDISNOTCLEANUP. Mosaicberry (talk) 12:47, 15 April 2019 (UTC)


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