Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Democratic Socialists of America candidates, 2018 election


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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Matt14451 (talk) 20:56, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

Democratic Socialists of America candidates, 2018 election

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The Democratic Socialists of America is not a political party. It is an organization that seeks to influence politics. There is no DSA party or ballot line. The article is largely unsourced. Even if DSA endorsed these candidates (and no sources are present that would say they do), it does not make them DSA candidates. TM 21:13, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep (article creator.) Deletion is not cleanup. In response to Nom's assertion about lack of soruces, many of the sources in the original version were removed without explanation when the text was turned into a table.   Copious sourcing on this sudden upsurge of success for Socialist candidates in an American election exists. But with a topic this easy to validate in a WP:BEFORE search, tagging the page for improvement wold have been more appropriate.E.M.Gregory (talk) 21:28, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
 * to explain why, in this edit you removed several candidates and WP:RS citations, with the edit note: "Adding a more comprehensive list of DSA members that've run for office... Only did Senate, House, & Governor candidates for now, though."  This is bizarre, given that Democratic Socialists candidates for state legislature, including Julia Salazar have gotten a great deal of coverage, and the fact that the Democratic Socialists are running many candidates for state legislatures.E.M.Gregory (talk) 22:09, 27 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Sources to support this topic, qua topic, are plentiful. It may not be a "Political Party", but it has WP:SIGCOV here's a sample of the SIGCOV:
 * Michelle Goldberg opinion New York Times The Millennial Socialists Are Coming 30 June
 * Associated Press,  Democratic socialism surging in the age of Trump, and a Maine candidate takes the leap 21 July
 * Fox News Democratic socialists impact 2018 midterm elections: A look at the national organization 24 July
 * The Nation : Socialism Is on a Winning Streak 18 May
 * ABC News : Democratic Socialist surge sparks dissent on left over electoral strategy 6 August. E.M.Gregory (talk) 22:31, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
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 * google search "Democratic Socialists of America" + candidate = in gNews: .E.M.Gregory (talk) 23:12, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
 * DSA has ENDORSED candidates for office, but they are not running any. They are all running with another designation (like the Democratic Party in most cases). They are an advocacy group with the same designation as Sierra Club. It is wholly inappropriate to say that they are "running candidates" just because they have endorsed certain people for office.--TM 01:35, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Fixed wording in lede. But, in general, just FIXIT.E.M.Gregory (talk) 11:33, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
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 * Keep. Per sources provided by E.M. Gregory, WP:LISTN is clearly met, and that's all that matters for the purposes of AfD. The nominator's primary concern, while perhaps a shade pedantic, is nonetheless fair; the appropriate remedy would be a WP:MOVE to something like Candidates affiliated with the Democratic Socialists of America, 2018, and the discussion we should be having (on the article's talk page) is whether this name or some other alternative better meets the WP:NAMINGCRITERIA. FourViolas (talk) 21:53, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Candidates are endorsed by pressure groups in every single election. It is not useful to have a list for the politicians endorsed by each pressure group in each election.--TM 21:39, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
 * RS such as those E.M.G. provides consider the DSA wave to be a discrete phenomenon worthy of specific discussion as a topic; this is not the case for most pressure groups. This is the criterion LISTN asks us to evaluate.
 * In this context, it means that we should have articles like List of politicians affiliated with the Tea Party movement but not List of politicians endorsed by the Sierra Club. DSA is clearly more like the Tea Party than the Sierra Club, in terms of the extent to which their candidates share platforms and the amount of RS attention their endorsed candidates (as a collective subject) have earned. FourViolas (talk) 23:36, 30 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep - see massive list of sources above. XavierItzm (talk) 10:08, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep and Rename The article should be renamed Candidates affiliated with the Democratic Socialists of America, 2018 as there is sufficient RS about the subject. I do think we should have a broader discussion about the degree to which political endorsements are considered encyclopedic, but that is outside the scope of this XfD. --Enos733 (talk) 20:51, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep this needs a ridiculous amount of cleanup, but a merge to Democratic Socialists of America isn't reasonable. power~enwiki ( π, ν ) 20:59, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep, the article was gutted of references and the next editor nominated it. Szzuk (talk) 09:48, 4 October 2018 (UTC)


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