Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Denis R. Decker

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Denis R. Decker
Non-notable martial artist. RickK 00:25, Mar 3, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, not notable, wikipedia is not a memorial. Megan1967 01:18, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Vanity memorial, not notable. Wikipedia is not Soke Council Head of Family Sokeship Grandmasters Council (sic). Mention of "Soke G. Durant" (sic) and overuse of words like "Master" and "Grandmaster" are signs that this should be classified as bullshido. jni 09:01, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * He's not quite in the same league as Harley "SwiftDeer" Reagan. Jni makes a persuasive point.  Weak delete. Uncle G 19:55, 2005 Mar 4 (UTC)
 * Comment: Google isn't helping much; there are some references but very little actual information about the guy (and VfD is the second highest hit). I'm asking around on rec.martial-arts to see if anybody's heard of this guy.   &mdash; Gwalla | Talk 02:17, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Abstain. Apparently he was legit, but I can't determine how notable he was. RMA verified that he was once a student of Daniel K. Pai, but attributed his death to AIDS rather than a heart attack.   &mdash; Gwalla | Talk 19:34, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Many do not know who this man was especially novices. This does not make his contributions less valuable. He was the victim of chauvinism in the 60's & '70's (and I dare say to this day!) because he was a homosexual, something not tolerated in a testosterone laden genre such as the Martial Arts. Many who learned from him would then disavow him because he was homosexual. Be that as it may, some today are now willing to use his name and system to promote themselves which is a great shame. At any rate...He was a high level instructor in Pai Lum Kung Fu who was a direct student (grandson)of Daniel K. Pai. He taught Pai Lum Kung Fu to those who are now masters in said system, such as Mike Kaylor, David L. Smith, and Robert Schoolnick. He was also promoted to instructor rank under one of the most famous Escrimadors, Angel Cabales. He trained some notable persons including Bruce Juchnik of Kosho Shorei Kempo, Mark Bober of T'ien Lung Tao, Glen Kwan of Genkido Kempo, and many others. He died of a heart attack as a complication of AIDS, as no one can die of AIDS istelf. The Chi Lin System(s) are still being taught in Florida, Georgia, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Illinois, California, and Ontario Canada. While the entry is not a great one it is nontheless an important one and needs some work. Maybe we could work on it to fit Wikipedia better instead of just backhandedly deleting it?! AnDruidh

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