Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dennis Hale (vocalist) (2nd nomination)


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The result was   keep. (non-admin closure) –Roscelese (talk &sdot; contribs) 18:22, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Dennis Hale (vocalist)
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Last AFD withdrawn after one !voter turned up sources. However, the sources are either unreliable (Jazz Professional.com) or false positives. Notability is asserted through multiple releases on Parlophone and Decca, but a search for "Dennis Hale" + various keywords turned up nothing. I was completely unable to find any reliable source verifying his date of birth, place of birth, date of death. Nor can I find any reliable sources verifying his 45s for Decca or Parlophone. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 02:51, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  —Tom Morris (talk) 05:28, 18 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep for same reasons as mentioned days ago in the previous AfD. I find this renom is way too soon. Here is one Decca release: []. I agree that sources from the 50's are not easy but noms must realize there was no Internet yet and sources DO exist and that is enough reason to keep the article (sources can be found). --DeVerm (talk) 06:08, 18 August 2011 (UTC).
 * Here are 3 Decca releases (better link) [] --DeVerm (talk) 06:11, 18 August 2011 (UTC).
 * And what makes that source reliable? Oh wait, IT'S NOT. You lose, try again. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 06:25, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Is that tone necessary? Zagal e jo^^^ 03:37, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Exactly... It's obviously very funny to delete this article. So let me explain this: my source makes it very plausible if not certain that somewhere a reliable source with Decca records from the 1950's exists. That is enough to keep the article... at least that is how I understand the guidelines. --DeVerm (talk) 21:56, 19 August 2011 (UTC).


 * Article creator posted this on the talk page (actually, it was at another AFD page created in error, which I moved to the talk page):

Why is this up for deletion again I spent hours trying to work out how to put a page on and now you want to take it off WHY. Dennis was a member of 5 bands with 2 beening very big bands he was on the tv "off the record" all the info on the page came from his sister so please tell me whats wrong.

Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 21:29, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Weakish keep There are enough snippets here and there to suggest that this may be worth keeping around. Not all of the sources presented in the last AFD were false positives; that Jet article is obviously about this guy. There's not much more out there, although this suggests that he did have some connection with Decca. He's also mentioned several times in Who's Who of British Jazz, although he doesn't seem to have his own entry. As said above, it is important to keep in mind that this guy died long before the Internet (in Rhodesia, of all places), so I wouldn't necessarily expect to find a whole slew of information right away. But I suspect that there is something more out there. Give the article creator(s) some time. Zagal e jo^^^ 03:37, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
 * keep - Though cited sources are weak, there are sources, and a quick google search reveals some information about Dennis Hale and Decca 45 records. A more detailed search (maybe augmented by the old fashioned paper way) should provide more sources. Truthanado (talk) 02:28, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep He had three double Single albums published by Decca back in 1955. We're not going to be able to find much online. I've added the sources that I could, but I firmly believe that he is both notable and that the majority of sourcees are going to be found offline and in London. Silver  seren C 21:26, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Weak keep These online sources were a pain in the neck to sift through. The Gramophone sources seem to amount to mentions, but closer examination does show commentary of his work.  I'm not suggesting that we also make articles including the vocalist's discography, but that this clearly helps support notability.  The discussion in the "Who's who" jazz book corroborates his associations and work with others, but just citing the fact that he played with a few musicians without some other kind of comment on his style, work, or attitude is not ideal.  Together, I think this is sufficient, but it could be better using paper sources as mentioned above. I, Jethrobot drop me a line (note: not a bot!) 15:02, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep. The many Billboard references shown by GBooks search results, together with the scans documenting major label releases, are sufficient to create a presumption of notability for a 1950's recording artist. An AFD initiated less than a week after the article is created, resting exclusively on a lack of online sources, is therefore clearly inappropriate in this context. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 16:50, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
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