Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Deon Lyle


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The result was delete. Tone 10:15, 26 September 2018 (UTC)

Deon Lyle

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Fails WP:GNG with lack of significant coverage from multiple indepenent, reliable sources. Does not meet WP:NHOOPS by playing in LaVar Ball's fledgling Junior Basketball Association. The only articles I have found that are more than trivial mentions or routine game coverage are from https://www.expressnews.com (San Antonio Express-News) and https://www.mysanantonio.com, which are sister sites of Hearst Communications that are based in San Antonio, where Lyle's college University of Texas at San Antonio is located. However, GNG states: "Multiple publications from the same author or organization are usually regarded as a single source for the purposes of establishing notability" Thus, they only count as one combined source. —Bagumba (talk) 19:02, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment Other AfDs recently closed as "delete" from LaVar Ball's league include Articles for deletion/Harrison Rieger, Articles for deletion/Taylor Kirkham, Articles for deletion/Nate Morris (basketball), Articles for deletion/Brandon Phillips (basketball), Articles for deletion/Caleal Walker, Articles for deletion/Curtis Hollis, Articles for deletion/Isom Butler, Articles for deletion/Niles Malone, and Articles for deletion/Marquis Johnson (basketball).—Bagumba (talk) 19:04, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Basketball-related deletion discussions. —Bagumba (talk) 19:10, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Nebraska-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 19:28, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
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 * Delete per nomination. – Sabbatino (talk) 09:00, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep I honestly don’t understand this effort to purge Wikipedia of JBA pages. Lyle is more notable than most as he was named Conference USA Sixth Man of the Year before joining the JBA, and I could provide a source for that. In addition to the several articles in the San Antonio Express-News, and it is important to keep in mind that San Antonio is one of the largest cities in the country and the Express News is not just a hometown paper, I was able to pull up an AP piece and this article based on a quick Google search. I could have found more if I looked harder. It is interesting the timing of this nomination since Lyle has been named to the JBA team touring Europe and will presumably get some coverage there. He will probably join a European team next year anyway, but there are enough sources right now to pass GNG. ~ EDDY  ( talk / contribs )~ 19:40, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep, with a question to ask regarding an article that was already deleted. I second that notion, especially if some of these players do have notability to their names like Lyle has right now. Someone like Deon Lyle could very well provide enough positive coverage for himself to where, yes, he can very well play for at least a proper international team sooner than later! Not to mention the fact that, since he's 22 years old and is under the notion of playing for a professional basketball team (even if you may question how professional it really is), he's also technically NBA Draft eligible as well. In fact, while on the topic of finding things under Google searches, I have to ask why exactly did Curtis Hollis warrant an article deletion himself? I mean, I checked the games out a bit, and it seemed to me he had some better overall playing abilities than Jordon Myers did during the one season they played together back in Houston. What exactly warranted his article being deleted without any warnings on my end? Anyways, Deon Lyle does have more notability than most JBA players would thanks to his previous college career, and he does look to at least have a genuine basketball career ahead of him moving forward, so I say keep his article up. – AGreatPhoenixSunsFan (talk) 23:20, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment: None of what you said makes him notable. The notion that Lyle's pro prospects make him more notable falls under WP:CRYSTAL. Player performance in the JBA, experience in NCAA basketball, or NBA draft eligibility do not count towards notability whatsoever. Runningibis (talk) 00:39, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Press releases aren't independent The source you referenced above by "this article" is a press release (or a promotional piece) from Cloud County Community College (CCCC), which Lyle attended. It is not "independent of the subject", as specified by GNG.—Bagumba (talk) 11:36, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
 * There is also this written by a veteran journalist if you are doubting reliability. Plus a solid paragraph here. Some coverage in this article. Some more here. If he was a G-League player with this kind of coverage no one would complain, but since he is a JBA player he is nominated for deletion. ~ EDDY  ( talk / contribs )~ 16:13, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Analysis The "veteran journalist", Jerry Briggs, seems to be a former newspaper writer with his own personal blog, which you linked. I dont know enough about him or his current work to comment on his reliability per WP:SELFPUBLISH. The "solid paragraph" you linked is from Conference USA, where Lyle was playing, so is again not independent for GNG purposes. The other two are one sentence mentions.—Bagumba (talk) 17:11, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Earning Sixth Man of the Year in a mid-major conference isn't enough to warrant an article. Runningibis (talk) 20:16, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete WP:NHOOPS not met and no significant coverage. power~enwiki ( π, ν ) 04:05, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails to meet WP:NHOOPS or WP:NCOLLATH. Lots of local and routine sports reporting is insufficient to meet WP:GNG. Papaursa (talk) 00:04, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete The article fails to meet WP:NHOOPS or WP:NCOLLATH because it lacks reliable WP:SIGCOV demonstrating he is a notable individual. Playing in a new mid-range basketball league just doesn't cut it nor do press releases do anything to prove notability. Newshunter12 (talk) 09:49, 26 September 2018 (UTC)


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