Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Deputy Chairman of the NATO Military Committee


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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) KCVelaga (talk) 00:18, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

Deputy Chairman of the NATO Military Committee

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Was merged to the Chairman article a while back, and an editor continually insists on re-creating. No standalone notability. Fails wp:gng.  Onel 5969  TT me 21:22, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Redirect and protect the redirect to stop it from being recreated. Fails WP:GNG. SemiHypercube ✎ 21:28, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Request clarification: can you please clarify what components of gng it fails? I want to make sure I can clearly understand it’s reasons for listing before taking a position. Garuda28 (talk) 22:12, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 22:10, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 22:11, 3 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Question to Why do you think this page is necessary?-- Georgia Army Vet Contribs Talk 01:10, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi Gaarmyvet, see my answer below. And the page elaborates on the important role the position plays. At NATO, it's not a traditional chain of command so Commanders and Deputies behave quite differently. SpaceMan0701 (talk) 09:34, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep. Merge highly inappropriate here (and definitely not to the Chairman)- this is a highly significant position. What needs to be understood is NATO's political structure. The Chairman, by custom(?), is always one of the (mostly) European allies. However, most of NATO's muscle is American (and the allied component - is split between many contributors - the titular chairman has very little sway over any significant military force). The Deputy Chairman is always American, and while he may, in title, seem to rank below the Chairman of the NATO Military Committee and the Secretary General of NATO - his clout is much greater. Of course the real commander is Supreme Allied Commander Europe - a 4 star American, but the deputy Chairman essentially manages the politicking of all the various small allies. The deputy chairman is a significant billet (and a 3 star American billet is usually notable - in general) in the NATO structure - much more so than the title.Icewhiz (talk) 06:32, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Furthermore, I will note that the deputy chairman is discussed independently in sources - meeting GNG, and is responsible for the rather important aspect of "nuclear affairs" (nuclear weapons). Icewhiz (talk) 06:36, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
 * As an analogy, the Deputy Chairman's role here is analogous to Alton Brown's role in Iron Chef America vis-a-vis ICA's chairman.Icewhiz (talk) 12:44, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep. Concur with Icewhiz as that was my basic logic creating the page. I was the original author of the page, but unfortunately Onel5969 decided to continue to redirect the page.  While I understand the confusion with the position potentially being 'under' the Chairman, the assumption and conclusion that a position isn't notable doesn't hold water when deciding to delete a Wikipedia page. Onel5969  hasn't provided any justifiable reason to elaborate why a page should be deleted beyond the 'the position isn't notable.'  That's conjecture and a subjective opinion.  The page outlines the important role the Deputy Chairman plays as it shows in establishing the transatlantic 'bond' between the US and NATO.  As the highest ranking, permanent US military position at NATO, it's a very important position to highlight, as the job works in both political and military arenas.  It's especially interesting now given President Trump's initiatives at NATO.  Icewhiz is also correct about the nuclear role as the Deputy advises NATO on nuclear roles within the alliance.  SpaceMan0701 (talk) 09:34, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep. As above. Clearly a senior enough official to have its own article. Should never have been merged. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:50, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep Senior and appears to satisfy notability guidelines. Garuda28 (talk) 12:11, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions. <i style="font-family:'Rock salt','Comic Sans MS'; color: Green;">Tyw7</i> (🗣️ Talk) — If (reply) then (ping me) 12:59, 4 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep Satisfies WP:GNG. Deserves its own article per IceWhiz.  Hawkeye7   (discuss)  02:46, 8 September 2018 (UTC)


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