Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Derby, Missouri


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The result was delete. I do not find the keep arguments compelling in the face of the mountain of precedent that tells us that GNIS is not a reliable indicator of what constitutes a populated place. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 00:53, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Derby, Missouri

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State historical society calls it a minor lead mine. 1950s topo shows nothing particularly indicative of a settlement. This old book further demonstrates that it's more mine than settlement. I'm seeing nothing that indicates it was a town. This mentions Derby, but only briefly, and in the way a local landmark would be mentioned. Also namedropped here. I'm seeing evidence that this was just a mine, while I'm seeing no evidence this was a real town. Whatever it was, it fails WP:GEOLAND and WP:GNG. Hog Farm Bacon 20:09, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. Hog Farm Bacon 20:09, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Missouri-related deletion discussions. Hog Farm Bacon 20:09, 11 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Speedy delete More mass-produced junk perpetuating false content. Reywas92Talk 21:13, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep I've added a bit of content. Yes the community is the location of a lead mine and separating the mine from the community would be challenging perhaps as the the Derby-Doerun Dolomite was named for the mining communities of the area. Was it a town? Hard to say, but it is a significant part of the area as the location of a historic mining area. The GNIS folks just say populated place - so perhaps the "unincorporated community" should be changed (what is the technical difference there?).
 * GNIS is not a reliable source if we're being honest. See Articles for deletion/Headquarters, Arizona where it called a National Park service headquarters building a "populated place". And anyway, being a populated place isn't enough to pass WP:GEOLAND.  It has to be a legally recognized populated place to pass that, and I have still seen no evidence of that.  As a lead mine/cluster of buildings it doesn't meet GEOLAND or GNG. Hog Farm Bacon 01:46, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Seems the GNIS is a reliable source. Yes, they have made mistakes (they be human). I have found a few mistakes and notified them concerning the mistakes. What group doesn't make occasional mistakes? Whatever you wish to call it - Derby exists and is shown on USGS topo maps and has a geologic unit named for it. Vsmith (talk) 02:23, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Saying blandly that "Seems the GNIS is a reliable source" in the face of all the evidence we have amassed to the contrary is just not good enough. The evidence speaks for itself: Derby as a place existed, but it was not the sort of place that our article claims it to be. Mangoe (talk) 14:27, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete Derby is/was a lead mine and needs to meet basic notability standards--multiple, in-depth coverage by reliable sources. I don't see anyting that fits the bill. Glendoremus (talk) 03:55, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment By default, GNIS calls almost every human-built structure a populated place. Most so-called populated places are NOT communities. I've seen hundreds of cases where GNIS identified railroad stations, ranches, wharves, dairy farms, etc. as populated places. Clearly they do not meet any reasonable definition of a community. Glendoremus (talk) 04:23, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep Expanded sufficiently to demonstrate this historic mining community has lent its name to a nearby geological formation.72.49.7.25 (talk) 19:30, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but the reference you added simply states "The formation was named for the Derby mine (now Federal mine), near Elvins." Nothing adds any credence to your assertion that Derby was a community. And if you want to assert that the mine was notable, you still need to show multiple in-depth articles articles from reliable sources. Glendoremus (talk) 20:23, 12 September 2020 (UTC)


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