Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Derek Morgan Bush


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. There is consensus that this is not a fit subject for an article, but do we merge or delete it? THe delete arguments are currently stronger, as the proposed merge target, Hemolytic disease of the newborn, does not mention the incident and the article does not make clear that this is even a case of hemolytic disease of the newborn. If there is a way to verifiably integrate this into the target page, it can be restored for that purpose.  Sandstein  16:35, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Derek Morgan Bush

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Article is about a person only famous for one event, and not particularly famous at that. The year-old proposed merge has had no action and the article is an orphan. SDY (talk) 20:19, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Merge  Cullen 328  Let's discuss it  21:21, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
 * A noble idea, but merge what where? This is an obscure event from the '60's.  If the bombay phenotype still had an article it might be a one-liner there, but it's not a major event in the history of HDN (the inactive merge target).  Given that it's been 44 years and the only clear reference on google is our article, mirrors of our article, and the other people who share the relatively common name.  SDY (talk) 21:32, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions.  — Red Baboon (talk) 21:48, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Medicine-related deletion discussions.  — • Gene93k (talk) 01:07, 7 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete - This is medical esoterica, not cause for encyclopedic biography. "Derek Morgan Bush made headlines in 1967 when his mother, June Rose Bush – a woman with an extremely rare blood type – successfully gave birth to him at Mount Sinai Hospital in New York City." Carrite (talk) 01:59, 7 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Merge — I would suggest that a new section "Rh null phenotype" in Rh blood group system would be the appropriate merge target. The paradox is that it was the mother's rare blood type, not his. While the merger suggested Hemolytic disease of the newborn as the target, I believe that it should go to the conspicuously absent target where it can be pared down and additional sources can be added.Novangelis (talk) 02:27, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Turns out it exists as hh antigen system, which I think was renamed from Bombay phenotype (the old, somewhat politically incorrect name). Even there, though, what would we say?  Other than an offhand comment that it's not actually impossible to find hh blood for transfusion, there isn't really that much to say.  SDY (talk) 03:45, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Rh(null) is not hh/Bombay, a breakdown the step in generating the H antigen (blood type O) in the ABO blood group. Rh null is absence of reaction to any sera to any form of RhD and RhCE antigens. This differs from Rh- in which D is absent, but CE is present.Novangelis (talk) 05:03, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Silly me, you are correct, I was in the wrong antigen system. Regardless, not sure if Mr. Bush is worth including in the article, though the null phenotype is probably worth a nod in Rh blood group system.  I'm not sure how relevant he is, but if he is the beneficiary of a first case of a successful transfusion for that particular variant might be something (or some other extreme, e.g. rarest antigen matched unit ever).  Apparently, reading some of the sources, he was a human interest story that got a lot of publicity, but we don't report on modern human interest stories either.  At least no one will accuse us of violating WP:NOTNEWS when the story is not exactly hot off the presses...  SDY (talk) 05:28, 7 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Merge per above, per WP:1E. JFW &#124; T@lk  11:22, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete and don't merge. Talk about a forgettable person! He was in the news for a week in 1967 and was never heard of again - except for a page in a brochure glorifying the hospital.  Incidentally most of this article is directly lifted or closely paraphrased from that pamphlet (see the 1960-1969 page). --MelanieN (talk) 16:11, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Strong Delete with no merge. This doesn't even meet the standard for biography. The subject is a possibly living person and the only coverage we can provide ends at one week old? This Facebook page is the slippery slope we're dealing with, especially since it's entirely possible this attorney is the supposed subject. No notability as cited, though verifiable. Mere medical trivia and a potential BLP nightmare. BusterD (talk) 12:30, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment. Nominator did due diligence to notify page creator of this process; the editor responded that the page was an early creation and in the page creator's opinion doesn't meet notability guidelines. BusterD (talk) 12:44, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.