Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Derf


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The result was   keep. Tone 18:27, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Derf

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No attempt to establish notability, no sources. DreamGuy (talk) 23:59, 18 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the notification, DG. Here are my reasons for keep:
 * Has a regular strip, The City, published in a number of newspapers.
 * Has a number of graphic novels published by Slave Labor Graphics, a well-established and leading alt-comics publisher.
 * His book My Friend Dahmer was nominated for an Eisner Award, a leading industry award.
 * Has an entry in the Lambiek Comiclopedia, a leading internet resource regarding international cartoonists.

Gamaliel (talk) 19:29, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
 * You need multiple instances of independent, reliable sources giving nontrivial coverage to demonstrate enough notability for a separate article. The Lambiek Comiclopedia lists "over 10,000 comic artists from around the world" so surely you can't seriously be claiming that an entry there has anything to do with demonstrating enough notability for a Wikipedia entry. Mere publication isn't enough to demonstrate notability either. Winning major industry awards are an indicator of notability, but nomination is not.  DreamGuy (talk) 23:59, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Derf also appears in the anthology Best American Comics, part of the notable Best American annual series from Houghton Mifflin.
 * He was the subject of an exhibition at the Akron Art Museum. Gamaliel (talk) 01:21, 19 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep and Improve references need work but he appears to be notable under WP:CREATIVE. Simonm223 (talk) 20:50, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Can you please specify what part of WP:CREATIVE you think he meets? DreamGuy (talk) 23:59, 18 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep: "Derf" and "The City" are annoying to search for, but I found some decent-looking sources:, , , , , . Some of the books without previews may be worth checking out: , , .  Editor & Publisher apparently ran a story, but it's buried behind paywalls; no idea how extensive it is.  The Akron Beacon Journal has numerous articles on him; they may not count towards notability as he worked there, but they can certainly be cited in this article.  He won the RFK Journalism Prize.  The Akron Art Museum ran an exhibition of his work.--Chris Johnson (talk) 02:04, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep and source - certainly makes a case as a marginal creative, if we can get some decent citations. -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  17:12, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of US-related deletion discussions. Thryduulf (talk) 17:25, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Comics and animation-related deletion discussions. Thryduulf (talk) 17:25, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep it - Prominent alternative artist covered by Time Magazine, etc. Sharksaredangerous (talk) 17:22, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
 * comment - covered by TIME magazine, eh? Care to provide a cite? -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  18:33, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
 * It's the third source I cited.--Chris Johnson (talk) 18:55, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Also, conveniently listed under "references" in the article. The article has quoted the Time review since 2007. Sharksaredangerous (talk) 20:02, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
 * 'Keep per Dream Guy: "Winning major industry awards are an indicator of notability". Derf won the Robert F. Kennedy Journalism Award for cartooning in 2006. Hiding T 10:21, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
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