Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Design-Altruism-Project


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 20:04, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

Design-Altruism-Project

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Little coverage, mostly in blogs. Doesn't appear to meet WP:GNG. Largoplazo (talk) 05:18, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
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*Keep. The subject has non-trivial coverage in multiple peer reviewed journal articles:
 * Delete A small academic/creative research project. Looks interesting, but has not received enough coverage to be notable per our standards. Same goes for the related page David C. Stairs, also at AfD.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 07:26, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
 * 1) "Atmoterrorism and atmodesign in the 21st century: mediating Flint's water crisis.(Flint, Michigan)"; Dettloff, Dean ; Bernico, Matt; Cosmos and History: The Journal of Natural and Social Philosophy, Jan, 2017, Vol.13(1), p.156(34)
 * 2) "BEYOND TREADING WATER: BRINGING WATER JUSTICE TO AMERICA'S URBAN POOR"; Narcisse, Denise; Race, Gender & Class, 2017, Vol.24(1/2), pp.27-64
 * 3) "Fourth World Theory: The Evolution of . . ."; Dotson, Olon; Buildings, 2014, pp.155-194
 * Appologies for no urls as I am accessing this through an internal database at my university library and not through the internet.4meter4 (talk) 16:14, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
 * False. I have all three papers sitting in front of me, downloaded from here, here, and here. In all of them, the word "altruism" appears nowhere but in the bibliographies or, in the first paper, in a footnote to the statement, "As David Stairs observes, such an approach only serves to reinforce a spectacle of unqualified optimism, feigning inclusion all the while only ever addressing and inviting professionals and entrepreneurs." ( The other papers don't mention Stairs either. There's no further mention of Stairs in that paper either, and none in the other two. ) Largoplazo (talk) 16:30, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: A promising Keep was withdrawn at the last minute; also issues with the David C. Stairs BLP; use one last re-list to bottom out likely Delete

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Britishfinance (talk) 01:54, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
 * I think there is space on Wikipedia for a Design altruism article. Design for Sustainable Change has a chapter on it, a large part of which is an interview with Stairs.  The project could be covered in such an article, but I don't think it works as a standalone. SpinningSpark 22:03, 10 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete There is a need to distinguish between "deign altruism", which very likely is a notable concept in academic debate, and this Design Altruism Project, which is one designer's blog. The first reference is a poster that does nothing more than list this blog.  The DesignObserver piece is a debate between the blog's owner and others about the idea of design altruism but only tangentially about this blog. Those are the two best references.  The searches above and my own WP:BEFORE demonstrate that most of the references to this project are by the blog owner. The owner may be notable given the number of those, but notablity is not inherited.  Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 17:41, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom and per Eggishorn. The fact that a media outlet addresses a notable topic does not make the media outlet itself notable. That has not been shown for this one. BD2412  T 19:33, 19 November 2019 (UTC)


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