Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dessie Larkin (2nd nomination)


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The result was   keep.  MBisanz  talk 03:02, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Dessie Larkin
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Excruciatingly non-notable local politician whose apparent claim to notability seems to involve getting extensive chemical burns on his testicles as well as having a notable father. Fails WP:N, WP:POLITICIAN, WP:BLP1E and WP:ITSA. Trusilver 22:51, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
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 * Comment - It would also appear that this individual has been the subject of a previous AfD around 16 months ago which ended in a delete consensus. I have looked over the previous incarnation of the article and the new one doesn't appear to have anything in it that wasn't available for the previously deleted one. So this is probably also deletable under CSD. Trusilver  22:57, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Since that discussion, which occured over a year ago, reliable sources concerning this topic have been written. Some of this information has been added to the article. Please review. Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 23:41, 5 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Strong keep Has media coverage for multiple events from multiple reliable sources. Also, Larkin's notability was already established as Larkin was mayor of Donegal. Media attention from multiple reliable sources adds to Larkins notability and verifies this notability. Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 22:54, 5 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment Media coverage for multiple events doesn't mean the same thing as notability. Please check the policies cited above for more information. Thanks. Trusilver  22:57, 5 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep As notable as other Council members. (see:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Local_councillors_in_the_Republic_of_Ireland). Also youngest ever chairperson elected to Donegal VEC along with being the highest paid councillor in Connacht and Ulster (a large portion of the country). Received national media attention for suing the Football Association of Ireland. Thank You --Balloholic (talk) 23:02, 5 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment - The media only take notice of notability, especially the national media. They do not waste their time on non-notable people with non-notable lives and non-notable events. Thanks. --Balloholic (talk) 23:05, 5 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment Larkin is notable for having been a mayor of Donegal. Also, in addition to being mayor, there are multiple reliable sources of which Larkin is concerned; Given granted freedom of Donegal, Top council earner to join Blaney back in FF ranks, and Ex-mayor gets €9,000 over burns to scrotum are three good examples. Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 23:07, 5 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Agree - Has received Significant coverage, sources address the subject directly in detail. Also they are reliable secondary sources. Has received attention in British newspapers also . As a mayor he meets the political notability per . Larkin is notable in his own right. His father is just mentioned. --Balloholic (talk) 23:15, 5 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment - Larkin also backed lawsuit by Sean McEniff in the case of Met Eireann Ice-Aging the County. . Thanks --Balloholic (talk) 23:39, 5 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment Per Balloholic, this article clearly meets Wikipedia Politicians for both points #2 and #3. Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 23:36, 5 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment - Was illegally appointed to a state board by a government TD. --Balloholic (talk) 23:44, 5 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Strong Keep - Per above comments.--86.45.211.74 (talk) 00:58, 6 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment Larkin is notable for multiple events. One such event Larkin has received media coverage for is concering his lawsuit against the Football Association of Ireland. This has been documented by The Independent, the Europe Intelligence Wire, and The Sunday Mail. Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 02:18, 6 December 2008 (UTC)


 * If these notable events haven't already been added it would help. -- Banj e  b oi   03:21, 6 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep. Notability and sourcing seem to have been established - like many (most?) articles it needs clean-up but that's not a reason to delete. -- Banj e  b oi   03:21, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete as per nom. Nor is he the son of the trade union leader James Larkin. Snappy (talk) 08:07, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Reply James Larkin is not under discussion here and has nothing to do with the notability of Dessie Larkin. Dessie Larkin is notable in his own right as a public official who has recieved substantial media coverage for multiple events. As such, Dessie Larkin is notable. The James Larkin bit is a red herring at this point. Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 11:46, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - James Larkin is mentioned in the deletion statement and this was why I commented on it. Dessie Larkin is just one of over a 1000 local councillors in Ireland and is not notable. Getting chemical burns on his testicles is amusing but again not notable. Snappy (talk) 11:54, 6 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment For an exapmle of media attention given to Dessie Larkin, other than being a public figure, please see the Sunday Mail story; Dessie Larkin from Co Donegal successfully sued the Football Association of Ireland. The Irish Independent and the Irish Times also have their own reports on this subject. Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 11:52, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Reply - a clear case of WP:BLP1E Snappy (talk) 11:55, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually it's not, WP:BLP1E concerns writing an article about one news event which would only serve to embarass a BLP; this is a BLP who is covered in numerous sources about numerous events and they are a politician which puts them immediate out of WP:BLP1E range. A better example is a fat kid who slips on a banana peel and the video becomes a viral meme. We likely shouldn't have am article for that reason alone on the fat kid and should be careful about identifying him if we do an article about the meme. -- Banj e  b oi   01:12, 8 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment Per WP:POLITICIAN Dessie Larkin meets the 2nd and 3rd criteria. 2) Major local political figures who have received significant press coverage. Generally speaking, mayors are likely to meet this criterion, as are members of the main citywide government or council of a major metropolitan city. 3) Just being an elected local official, or an unelected candidate for political office, does not guarantee notability, although such people can still be notable if they meet the primary notability criterion of "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 12:00, 6 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment - Addition. Has also appeared in the Daily Mirror, Belfast Telegraph, The London Daily Mirror .In fact he has appeared in a large amount of newspapers which are published in Ireland and Britain. Also appeared on national broadcaster RTE --Balloholic (talk) 15:21, 6 December 2008 (UTC)


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