Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Destroying America


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was delete. WjBscribe 03:08, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Destroying America

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This film fails WP:NF. The only secondary source given is a review on a minor web magazine, while the guideline calls e.g. for "full length reviews by two or more nationally known critics". PROD was contested with comment: "passes other markers of notability, several notable stars / celebrities appear in the movie". I actually don't see for which notable person this film was a major part of their career; but if so, a merger could be considered. -- Sent here as part of the Notability wikiproject. --B. Wolterding 08:01, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Borderline (naturally enough, considering who sent it :)
 * Pros:
 * 1 on imdb (and w/ a rating!)
 * 2 external review (switch magazine) that satisfies wp:rs & v
 * (3 notable skaters starring)


 * Cons
 * 1 filtered googling yields precious little hits
 * 2 Opinions seem generally unanimous that "it stinks", maybe this can be interpreted as "it is not notable"?


 * ? #39,165 on amazon dvd sales. I can't say what that means, beware of the long tail before jumping to conclusions.

--Victor falk 08:57, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Note that an IMDB listing as such is usually considered trivial coverage. The external review also seems to be below standards. --B. Wolterding 09:00, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
 * That the review is bad is not directly an argument against notability; however it makes me doubt that this film was a major part of somebody's career. --B. Wolterding 09:07, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Agree on imdb. It might be below standards for a film review, but Switch is I believe a major skateboard magazine, which are the criterion I think we should apply here. The question here is "did it make a notable impact in the skateboarding community" (it is obviously non-notable to the general public)? Considering I got only 422 ghits, most of them torrent or sales sites, it seems that that community dare speak of this film only on non-googable forums, or not at all... draw your own conclusions.--Victor falk 09:44, 9 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep, per deprod - Several notable people star / appear in the movie (Erik Estrada, Tony Hawk et al). Not the greatest cinematic work ever commited to celluloid, but not insignificant either. Agree that lack of sources is an issue.  Dei z  talk 11:00, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Re: Amazon ranking #39,165: "Customers Who Bought This Item Also Bought..."


 * Real movies:
 * Lords of Dogtown #5,387
 * Dogtown and Z-Boys #8,056
 * Grind (2003 film) #5,525
 * Thrashin' #15,869


 * Skate videos:
 * DC Video #8,471
 * Skateboarding Mayhem #70,432
 * ESPN & 900 Presents - Tony Hawks Gigantic Skateboard Park Tour Summer 2002 #44,580
 * Tony Hawk's Boom Boom Huck Jam North American Tour (2002) #75,407
 * Tony Hawk's Secret Skatepark Tour (2004) #11,999
 * Tony Hawk's Gigantic Skatepark Tour 2001 #55,304
 * Almost Round Three (2004) #54,771

Amazon editorial review: This attempt to elevate a skateboard video to an action-adventure film nearly makes MTV's Jackass look like Masterpiece Theater...
 * --Victor falk 12:02, 9 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete The long and disjointed summary above not withstanding, I couldn't find the notability in this subject. --Stormbay 14:18, 9 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Borderline Delete Nothing notable apart Estrada and Hawk really, and movies do not inherit theirs stars notability--Victor falk 17:18, 14 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete. notability not inherited from celebrity appearances. Cool Hand Luke 00:25, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep - Plenty of reliable source material for the article: (1) Worcester Telegram & Gazette. January 19, 2001. Cable access spat spurs punishment / Teenagers pushing of limits produces televised pranks in Grafton. (2) Seattle Post-Intelligencer. (February 19, 2001) Digital film festival starts here. Page E1. (3) Seattle Times. (February 22, 2001) Weekend jammed with movie specials. Page E3. (4) Daily Star (United Kingdom). (March 16, 2003) American Beauties. Uncovered. The stars and stripes stunners.'' Pg. 39. -- Jreferee    t / c  00:37, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Damn! How could I forget to check the news archives?--victor falk 00:48, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
 * No. Source #1 is about an unrelated public access TV show in Grafton. #2 only includes the line "The lineup includes "Destroying America," a skateboard film starring Eric Estrada." #3 only says "It's made up entirely of digitally created movies, including the skateboard film Destroying America." #4 does not appear to mention the film at all, and talks instead about "gorgeous babes ... born in the USA." In short, this is garbage, and makes me even more convinced the article should be deleted. Cool Hand Luke 01:41, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I would agree the quoted sources are not sufficient to establish notability, although I believe it is entirely possible to convey this without using words such as "garbage".  Dei z  talk 01:55, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, you're right, I'm sorry. I was just frustrated by this source dump because a casual glance would have shown no substantive treatment and completely irrelevant material. Cool Hand Luke 02:20, 17 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete. Comparing the sources found so far with the list of requirements in Notability_%28films%29, I don't think the film measures up. For example, full-length reviews by at least two nationally known critics? Though Jreferee's findings are useful, we don't know what those people actually said, or whether any of those articles gave more than a passing mention to this film. The filtered Google search offered above by Victor Falk gets about 450 hits, not enough to suggest that better sources are just around the corner. EdJohnston 01:21, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete. What we've got here is ... failure ... to significate. Not notable. -- Rob C. alias Alarob 02:40, 17 October 2007 (UTC)


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