Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Detroit Mercy Law Clinics


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The result was delete. Notability not established. &mdash; Coffee //  have a cup  //  beans  // 07:21, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

Detroit Mercy Law Clinics

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Non-notable law clinics. WP:BEFORE turns up no significant references or independent in-depth coverage. Existing refs are either weak or self-published. The article itself would be more appropriately hosted on the web site of the unversity. Prod removed by article creator, so bringing it here. HappyValleyEditor (talk) 01:13, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment:Note that there is some confusion possible here as to which clinic the article is about: a) all the clinics of Detroit Mercy Law, b)The "Detroit Mercy clinics", c) the "Detroit urban clinic" mentioned in the article, or d) the many other clinics listed on the university pages in the refs.HappyValleyEditor (talk) 01:20, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

Response: I gone into some specifics on the clinics, which receive mention as special in law reviews. I find wiki articles on other university law school clinics: This clinic is apparently one of the oldest, as they claim, and one of the very few today that require a clinic, placing all their students in direct contact with the poor and needy. These two features, I suggest, make it at least as notable as those reported on in the 4 above Wiki articles. These are the only clinics mentioned in their law website, so I don't see where the confusion would arise about what clinics we're speaking about. I've expanded on the section on clinics, naming them all more clearly. I had been focusing on topical areas covered rather than the nitty-gritty of all the courses. Another factor that makes this school notable is what it achieves as a social development centre, doing what it can to attract its students toward the service of the needier segments of our society.Jzsj (talk) 03:35, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Yale Law School Supreme Court Clinic
 * Tulane Environmental Law Clinic
 * Tulane Domestic Violence Clinic
 * BLIP Clinic (Brooklyn Law Incubator and Policy).
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 * Weak Keep on the merits. I think the subject (the clinic itself) is notable, but we need better references and tighter prose to show that notability. The nom is right - there's some fuzziness about whether this article is on the courses, the fact that students are required to serve, or about the clinic itself (location, load, clients, etc). I think this could be rescued, but it needs a lot of work. Might be worth pruning it back to a stub and going from there. The list of courses makes it seem like a course catalog - put that into a paragraph. "Students serve at the clinic in a variety of focus areas, such as X, Y, and Z. (ref)" or some such. UltraExactZZ Said~ Did 13:44, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete as I also considered deletion since this is another where solid independent notability is still questionable. Perhaps Merge to the University of Michigan's article at best as this is may be applicably searchable and there's nothing to explicit suggest deleting perhaps but also not the certain independent notability. Asking for his familiar analysis.  SwisterTwister   talk  05:27, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete. We should not be making articles on these clinics unless they receive extensive coverage in their own right beyond the local area. This one has not. Almost all the references are to its own publications. The only two external references are to an article in the state bar journal, a local TV station, and s prelaw journal. This is not at all sufficient. A list of the clinics could be added to the article on the Detroit Mercy School of Law. As for the other articles mentioned, they need to be looked at: There are several hundred thousand articles in WP accepted in earlier years when the standards were lower that we need to either upgrade or remove.  The least we can do is not add to them.   DGG ( talk ) 17:06, 2 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete I looked through the references and the vast majority of them are non-independent. I couldn't find any in-depth coverage that could possibly save this article. Omni Flames   let's talk about it  08:15, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete. Promotional. Deb (talk) 11:59, 4 May 2016 (UTC)


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