Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Detroit Water and Sewerage Department


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Withdrawn by nominator. --Hirolovesswords (talk) 07:32, 15 February 2015 (UTC) (non-admin. closure)

Detroit Water and Sewerage Department

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WP:COATRACK to attack privatization. No evidence that this city department has received enough significant coverage to warrant a stand alone article.Hirolovesswords (talk) 15:33, 14 February 2015 (UTC) Withdrawn – Coatrack and notability issues resolved by Northamerica1000. --Hirolovesswords (talk) 07:28, 15 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep – Google News has over 50 pages of results. Normally when Google says that it has 1,000 nominal hits the actual results peter out after 3 or 4 pages, or 12 pages, but for this they just keep coming. No lack of coverage here. – Margin1522 (talk) 20:11, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
 * A large number of hits on a search engine is no guarantee that the subject is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia. Most of the pages are about one event (2014 water shutoffs) and do not discuss the department itself in-depth. An organization is not notable merely because a notable event is associated with it. The remain pages provide Routine coverage information, such as news articles about rate hikes. --Hirolovesswords (talk) 22:08, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Michigan-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:59, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:59, 15 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment Well, yes, but there's a old rule in book reviewing, that a reviewer should always review the book he's been given and never complain that it should have been a book about something else. I think we should do the same here. The author wanted this to be an article about privatization and the water shutoffs, so that's what we should evaluate. There is an abundance of sources about this, like these from papers like the NYT, WSJ, The Guardian, and the Detroit Free Press:


 * There is obviously enough material for a substantial article here. Even if it isn't in the article now, and even if the title is wrong. We can always change the title. – Margin1522 (talk) 02:39, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
 * If the author wanted an article about privatization and the water shutoffs, the title should reflect that. Right now, the article is a Coatrack because it pretends to discuss the Water and Sewer Department, but really talks about one event in its history. I would be happy to withdraw the AFD if there is a consensus to rename. --Hirolovesswords (talk) 04:59, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I have expanded the article, including an overview section, and its primary focus is now not about contemporary issues with the water and sewage department. However, the contemporary issues remain in the article, because they have been covered by reliable sources. N ORTH A MERICA 1000 06:29, 15 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep and expand – The topic passes WP:N. Source examples include:
 * Distribution System Water Quality Changes Following Corrosion Control Strategies. Pages 117-133.
 * Factor screening for ozonating the taste- and odor-causing compounds in source water at Detroit, USA. Water Science and Technology. Pages 115–122.
 * Quote: "INTRODUCTION The Detroit Water and Sewerage Department (DWSD) experiences periodic taste and odor (T&O) events in the raw water supplies. During these episodes, DWSD receives complaints from customers throughout the system. ..."
 * Detroit Water and Sewerage Department: Bringing Credibility to a Beleaguered System Through Regional Cooperation and Technology. Journal of Law and Society. Pages 193-206. (Here is a link to the full article).
 * What Happens When Detroit Shuts Off the Water of 100,000 People. The Atlantic.
 * Detroit mayor granted control of water department. USA Today.
 * Tapped Out Detroit Residents in Water Fight With City. NBC News (national).
 * The terrible choices Detroit confronts as it cuts off water to its own residents. The Washington Post.
 * Who Bled Detroit Dry?. Vice.
 * Detroit water chief says she's willing to sell emergency water to Flint -- no strings attached. MLive.
 * Detroit Plans Thousands Of Water Shutoffs Over Delinquent Bills. CBS Detroit.
 * Detroit Water & Sewerage Department deficit could result in rate increases later this year. (includes video). WXYZ News.
 * Explaining the Detroit Water and Sewerage Department's latest rate hike. (text and video). Local 4 News.
 * Wayne County Commission OKs joining new regional water authority. Crain's Detroit Business.
 * Ideas for new water authority. Crain's Detroit Business.
 * Mayor Mike Duggan takes over Detroit water department. Crain's Detroit Business.
 * – More reliable sources the provide significant coverage are available; the above are just a sample of them. N ORTH A MERICA 1000 04:36, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
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