Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Detroit grand pubahs

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The result of the debate was NO CONSENSUS. &mdash; J I P | Talk 08:38, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

Detroit grand pubahs
Hi all i have now put up the full text i was trying to when (i think) you first saw it as a very short piece. hopefully it's somewhat better now. This is the first article i've started here so if it still does not meet your requirements i would appreciate some feedback as to why. thanks --195.92.67.74 15:07, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Band vanity. No assertion of meeting WP:MUSIC . android  79  14:26, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Band now purports to meet WP:MUSIC, and with the allmusic.com bio, I'll change my vote to Keep (but needs massive cleanup). android  79  15:41, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete - Vanity The curate's egg 14:29, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete - see below and above Kertrats 15:18, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Your band doesnt meet the requirements for notability in WP:MUSIC, unless you can convince otherwise. Kertrats 15:18, 16 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Sorry made the last post before logging in --MJW 15:17, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. allmusic has a decent bio on them.  Maybe the article was in bad shape, but the subject appears to be notable.  Friday (talk) 15:31, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
 * In response to Kertrats - i think the band does meet the requirements for notability; they have toured, they have released 2 full length albums. 1 of these was released on Jive Electro and extremely well known (in electronic music circles) label that is also home to Groove Armada and has released records by Tribe Called Quest and Stone Roses. The electro scene is a small one - i don't think that the popularity of a genre should dictate if it can or can't be included on Wikipedia. - thanks --MJW 15:38, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment - Doesn't meet WP:MUSIC "2 full length albums" criteria that they must both be on a major label or a prominent indie label - Only 1 of their albums meet this criteria. However, If I'm not mistakent DGP did embark on a world tour and play extensively in Europe, which would satisfy WP:MUSIC.  I'll try to find sources to post a little later (and will vote then).  I'll go the extra mile to research a band from the D.--Isotope23 16:53, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. If the subject is notable then kelete as there is no salvageable content. — Phil Welch 23:50, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep and cleanup--there is very much salvagable content. For example, we learn the names and release dates of the band's two albums, and the fact that they toured extensively, all from the article alone. Sure, the writing isn't up to snuff, but this is no reason to remove useful facts. Meelar (talk) 02:07, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment Ok I'll have one last try to convince you all. This is the first article i have written, yes it could do with being better written but i thought part the aim here was to write what you can when you can and then come back and expand on it later - I do think i have recorded some note worthy facts in the article. As regards how notable they are, i think it needs to be kept in mind that electro is not a large genre and that the importance of an act should not be based on how many records they sell. There are loads of entries on Wikipedia for british 70's punk bands that only ever released a handfull of singles and one album on small lables but they are still notable as is an electro act such as DGP who are well known within their genre. Down to specifics both their albums are on well known lables, Poker Flat is a well known european independent label run by Steve Bug, they have been going for over 7 years and have released over 70 odd records. regarding touring and mentions in the press you may like to look here Electroinc PM who are their booking agent in Europe, also of note on this page is the following line "Since then, he / they've been mentioned in URB's next 100, Rolling Stone's 'Top Ten To Watch In 2001,' scored a pop hit in a number of countries and an underground classic worldwide." - thats the end of the 3rd paragraph. Lastly thier big hit "Sandwiches" has been relased on loads of different compilations world wide some of these comps have been released on major labels such as BMG, EMI and Universal check here Discogs for details. Obviously i would like to add this new info to my article but i'll wait and see if it gets to stay first. Thanks for reading --MJW 11:29, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment Just found this article Village Voice i'm from the UK but I understand the Village Voice to be fairly well respected in the US. --MJW 13:35, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep and cleanup as needing wikifying. This band meets WP:music with two albums and "Sandwiches" charting on the Billboard club charts. They toured extensively in 2001 in support of WP:music meeting the touring criteria. Capitalistroadster 07:04, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
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