Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Devart


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Notability is not established by association. &mdash; Coffee //  have a cup  //  essay  // 09:06, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

Devart

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Prodded last week for lacking any in-depth secondary sources, just a Microsoft press release mentioning Devart in passing. Article creator has since only been able to provide a couple of reprinted press releases ("Devart Team is proud to introduce...", "Devart has recently announced...") and a three-paragraph German article which seems minor. McGeddon (talk) 09:59, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

New backlinks to Devart's External links from Independent publishing sources have been added, please, revise the suggestion for deletion. (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 10:42, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
 * The only link added following this AfD nomination was this oracle.com site which lists Devart as part of the "Oracle PartnerNetwork", along with 21873 other companies. ("The partners listed in the Oracle PartnerNetwork (OPN) Solutions Catalog are part of the Oracle PartnerNetwork Program, however Oracle does not endorse any of the partners or their software, solutions, services or training listed on this site.") This is not a reliable secondary source, and I can't see that it confers any notability. --McGeddon (talk) 11:06, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Software company SmartBear Software and software Toad only contain links to company web-sites and published releases which are sufficient. --Marina Nastenko (talk) 11:14, 22 October 2013 (UTC)


 * How is this relevant to a discussion on Devart? I see no mention of 'SmartBear Software' in the Devart article or refs. If you are making a Other stuff exists argument, note that the existence of similar but unrelated articles does not in itself support keeping a given article.Dialectric (talk) 13:51, 22 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000(talk) 13:24, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
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 * Delete - Per nom, refs provided thusfar are all press releases, developers' sites, or incidental mentions, and thus article lacks independent reliable source coverage to establish notability of this software company. A search did not reveal any RS coverage. Article was created by an SPA as possibly promotional.Dialectric (talk) 14:01, 22 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete - Needs coverage in reliable, third party sources. Has none. - MrOllie (talk) 14:05, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete - I cannot find any WP:RSes that discuss the subject at length therefore it fails WP:GNG or any other notability guideline. Walter Görlitz (talk) 14:05, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep The company is an official Microsoft Visual Studio Partner and has been a member of Microsoft developer network since 2008 --188.163.187.246 (talk) 14:26, 22 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Strong Keep. Devart is an old and well established, primary software provider to the software industry, developing connectivity and domain layer products for database software manufactures. In the early part of the century, their ADO providers were used by everybody. The first five software houses I worked at, all them were using their products. Recently I was using the DbForge Studio for Oracle. The reason we bought it, was because it was the best.  There is perhaps only 3 OEM software designers that create these types of products in the World. The other big one is Quest.  They are also partners of Microsoft, Oracle, HP, IBM, SAP and SalesForce. McGeddon makes the argument that Oracle has 21K+ partners, and Devart being a partner doesn't confer notability. Microsoft and Oracle are the No 1 and No 3 software developers in the world by body count. They are Leviathans. They are development/integration partners of Devart. Integration means that they actively bundle their software in with another manufactures product, and spend a bundle of money so it integrates correctly. Not some 'Mon and Pop organization, that are ten a penny,  that contacts Oracle or MS and says, we will sell your products, can you give us support. Sure. You can be a partner'.  It is a very prestigious organization that can get to be a development partner. Microsoft's development product, Visual Studio is the world premier software development IDE. It cost about £11,000 pounds for the full version, here in the UK. Devart's products are integrated into it.   As regards sources: has anyone actually went out and looked for them. There are several entries in Google Books, a whole raft of developer sites, the very large number indicating the products popularity. There is also several review sites.  They  are clearly notable and deserve a WP page.  As an aside, when you are looking for sources, don't use the search term for Devart. All you'll find is press releases. Instead search for an individual product.  scope_creep talk 19:35  24 October 2013  (UTC)
 * Please provide links to the google books refs you found. If they are more than incidental mentions, then they would go a long way towards establishing notability.Dialectric (talk) 23:54, 26 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete Needs coverage in reliable, third party sources. Has none. MatsTheGreat (talk) 10:14, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete and send to the Recycle Bin - All I'm seeing are insignificant mentions or press releases. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 03:16, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep Devart regularly sponsors thematic conferences and user groups. New backlinks to Devart's External links from Independent publishing sources have been added. — Sergei Kharchenko (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. The preceding unsigned comment was added at 09:20, October 31, 2013‎ (UTC).
 * Delete, the keep arguments above make the argument that Devart is notable because their products are used by big companies, and they sponsor various events. In the light of the lack of independent and substantial coverage of them as a software vendor, I do not see how this establishes their notability.  Lankiveil (speak to me) 05:00, 2 November 2013 (UTC).
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