Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Devon Archer (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. Per consensus, SIGCOV and notability present. (non-admin closure) The Herald (Benison) (talk) 02:47, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Devon Archer
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Potentially notable but as a WP:BLP currently fails WP:SIGCOV. The refs in the first two ref blocks are all Hunter Biden. Mostly passing mentions.  scope_creep Talk  16:48, 23 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 16:53, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
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 * Keep - Over a dozen mentions in other Wikipedia articles; in the news again as of 22 January 2024, see Supreme Court rejects Devon Archer appeal in criminal case. The titles of the referenced articles don't necessarily have subject's name, but there is significant coverage of him.--FeralOink (talk) 11:46, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
 * That is WP:PRIMARY. Do you at least WP:THREE secondary sources which show he is notable, per Wikipedia standards, not the Trump news circus.   scope_creep Talk  15:16, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
 * How is an NBC News story WP:PRIMARY? Something sourced directly from SCOTUS would be primary. What is this special "Trump news circus" criteria? BLP subject's activities defrauding the Oglala Sioux have nothing to do with Trump. His role on the board of directors of Burisma, longtime business partnership with Hunter Biden, and BHR Partners stake have received substantial significant coverage in American and foreign news media. These are among the more than three secondary sources referenced in the article that establish notability.--FeralOink (talk) 11:07, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
 * If he's only notable for the connection to BHR Partners, with nothing about him as a person, he should be covered in the BHR article. Oaktree b (talk) 03:07, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
 * He is covered in the BHR article. He is covered in the Biden conspiracy article. He is covered in the Burisma article. He is covered in multiple other articles, all in the context of being a prominent businessman. He was also involved in CEFC China Energy which was China's largest energy company before it went out of business. FeralOink (talk) 15:32, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
 * If he's already covered in the BHR article here, let's redirect this there and be done with it, was the point I was trying to make. Oaktree b (talk) 15:52, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, 78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 02:31, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep I don't see the argument for deleting this - the page cites articles about him in the Wall Street Journal, Washington Post, Associated Press etc. How is he not notable? Llajwa (talk) 20:56, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Problem is they're all articles about a "criminal", describing this person. I don't think he meets CRIME, and we don't have enough otherwise to build an article about a business person. Oaktree b (talk) 03:06, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
 * We certainly do have enough to merit an article about a prominent business person here. He is one of four of the first Americans to be a partner in China's largest state-sponsored venture capital firm; he is one of the first Americans to have worked for a major money center bank in postwar Vietnam. He is the longtime business partner of the son of the President of the United States. He was on the board of directors of Burisma in the Ukraine. He has been convicted of defrauding a Native American tribe. This is sufficient to build an article about him. All of these statements are properly cited and sourced in the article. FeralOink (talk) 15:29, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete: Circular references about this person, using articles about Hunter Biden. Citation 17 is the only article about this person... Anything I find is about a fraud trial, which might be notable, but that's all I find. I don't see enough to build an article with. Oaktree b (talk) 03:03, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
 * What are "circular references"? I need a definition as I have never seen that term used regarding Wikipedia articles. Subject is notable for multiple state and federal trials and conviction for defrauding a Native American tribe and being required to pay them over $40 million in restitution. He is notable for being a board member of Burisma and the person who recommended Hunter Biden to be appointed to the Burisma board. He is notable due to his recent four hours of testimony to the House Oversight Committee. Multiple WP:NPOV and WP:RS articles are cited in the BLP for which he is the main subject. It is untrue that only Citation 17 is about this person. Do I need to list them here? Also, there are over a dozen Wikipedia articles which link to this person. This article has garnered over 18,000 views in the past month. FeralOink (talk) 15:21, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
 * circular references: "Mentioned in articles about other people that talk about him in relation to the other person." Yes, please list the sources that are directly about this individual and not about Hunter. Oaktree b (talk) 15:51, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Indeed. I would like to see at least three secondary sources that not in the main context of Hunter Biden, that genuinely about this man.   scope_creep Talk  15:54, 31 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Comment I plan to go through the first 2 references and have a look at them in the next couple of days.   scope_creep Talk  15:54, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I recommend perusing references 17 through 27 if you want to see articles specifically about him AND that feature his name in the article title, as Oaktree b had mentioned his concern about that. FeralOink (talk) 16:13, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I will do the whole 27 references.   scope_creep Talk  16:27, 31 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Keep. Prominent business person. Multiple top-class references satisfying WP:SIGCOV. --Andreas JN 466 01:00, 8 February 2024 (UTC)


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