Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Devyn Rose (2nd nomination)


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The result was   delete.  Wifione  Message 19:09, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

Devyn Rose
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Non-notable singer lacking GHits and GNEWS of substance. References are brief mentions or listings. No evidence songs are nationally or internationally played. Vanity/PR page. Fails WP:BIO and others. red dog six (talk) 14:46, 21 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Comment - I can provide evidence of songs being played via Mediabase reports received - also reports are available via www.mediabase.com. How and where do I send this . Also, please advise on how this looks like a vanity or PR page and what can be removed or replaced if anything? PinkStaircase (talk) 15:19, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment - Do not send it to anyone, please add a reference to the article that shows this is the case. red dog six  (talk) 17:05, 21 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Comment - I can only provide a report from www.mediabase.com to show actual airplay/rotation. I would be violating Mediabase.com terms of conditions and probably be sued if I provide the world wide web with a username and password to access these reports as proof that her single is in rotation on all those stations. Please take a look at the website www.mediabase.com - you will see that you have to login to access reports. Is there another way I can reference it being that I cannot email or send screenshots to anyone? PinkStaircase (talk) 17:16, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete - If that's all you can do, she's not yet notable. Best thing to do is wait until she makes notable music and there are real references to use, such as reviews and interviews (blogs don't count). -Tortie tude (talk) 07:31, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
 * There is no requirement for citations to be freely available online. We routinely cite academic journals that require a login to access. This is OK for citations, just not for external links. Airplay/rotation information from mediabase is a real reference that supports notability, and meets WP:MUSICBIO criterion #11.
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of New York-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:35, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:36, 23 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete Non-notable. DaveApter (talk) 11:17, 23 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Comment - ok then I just don't see the point in WP Notability Requirements as I provided at least one requirement and still it gets deleted. Lost, but okay. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PinkStaircase (talk • contribs) 11:41, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment Please note that WP:BAND reads:
 * A musician or ensemble may be notable if it meets at least one of the following criteria. (Emphasis added)
 * Meeting one of the several criteria listed does not guarantee notability, it merely indicates the likelihood of notability. The basic requirement is that a subject (whether it be a musician, politician, athlete, etc) be the topic of multiple instances of significant coverage in reliable sources.  This basic requirement exists to assure that there is sufficient source material from which to verify an article's content.  Failure to find such material makes it impossible to produce a valid article.  If you can provide evidence of such significant coverage in reliable sources, please do so.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 17:41, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
 * The "may" also applies to criterion 1, having significant coverage in reliable sources. I don't see the point. National airplay is significant. ~Amatulić (talk) 14:36, 24 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete. Lacks coverage in independent reliable sources. Rotation claimed is from individual stations, not a national network so no pass on MUSICBIO#11. duffbeerforme (talk) 23:40, 24 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete as too soon to have an article. No good coverage in sources or evidence of passing WP:NMUSIC yet. The potential is there for her to become notable, though, so if wants to incubate it (either at User:PinkStaircase/Devyn Rose or Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Devyn Rose) until she hits the indie download charts (or something similar), that would be ideal.  Ritchie333  (talk)  (cont)   08:29, 25 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Comment When you say national network, you are speaking as if you are looking at reports and making a factual determination. You've used the word "claim" ...it's only a "claim" if you can prove that she in not in rotation, can you prove this? Because I can prove she is, but there is no where or way for me to send any proof as stated above. WP:Music #11 doesn't state the artist has to be on any indie charts or "something". Anyone who is actually in the music industry knows what it takes to get on the Billboard and or ndie charts. She is on 7 national radio stations, top markets that have over 1 million listeners, played alongside other major artist - this is on a national level. I give up.  PinkStaircase (talk) 14:07, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
 * It's still a claim even if you can prove it. But the semantics here are irrelevent. As for national, you yourself provided a list of radio stations. None of them are national. Take the first listed, WRVZ. Broadcast area is Charleston MSA. That's one part of one city in one state. Clearly not national. If there is 7 national stations she's on why not give that list instead of the list of 7 local stations you gave? And why are you mentioning charts which have nothing to do with wp:music#11? Trying to build a strawman? duffbeerforme (talk) 23:44, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
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