Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dewey Lake Monster


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The result was keep. North America1000 15:55, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Dewey Lake Monster

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Whereas this isnt a WP:HOAX, it is a hoax. Eliminate the pop culture section, which simply lists the local event staged in 2017 (has it occured again?) and a commercial product named after the subject of the article (a beer from an area craft brewer). The only journalistic source is a very very small local paper, written coincidentally in 2017. If this is notable and happened in 1964, why did it take until 2017 to write about it? Fails WP:GNG, fails WP:NEVENT and the only source that even speaks to notability fails WP:RS John from Idegon (talk) 15:14, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Michigan-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 15:16, 25 June 2020 (UTC)*


 * Delete if better sourcing cannot be found. Keep now that more sources have been discovered. &#58;bloodofox: (talk) 16:05, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:NEXIST: It is important to remember that the sources cited in a Wikipedia article are not the existing sources in the world. There are newspaper sources that go back to 1964:
 * "Dewey Lake 'Monster Is Nonexistent'", The South Bend Tribune (June 12, 1964)
 * "Monster Still Paying Dividends", The Benton Harbor News-Palladium (June 16, 1964)
 * "Populace Up in Arms Over Parke County 'Bear'", The South Bend Tribune (Oct 1, 1972) -- a story about a similar hoax that the paper compares to the Dewey Lake Monster hoax, showing that the original event was still remembered eight years later
 * "Action Line", The Sound Bend Tribune (Aug 18, 1983) -- a "do you remember this?" paragraph about the 1964 event, showing again that it's still in public memory
 * I believe that this demonstrates notability. I'll add these to the article. — Toughpigs (talk) 16:09, 25 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep One of the local papers mentions that UPI picked up the story in 1964. Like a lot of silly ufo/monster stories of the 1960s, this one probably did see some national press outside of Michigan. This article is actually a decent example of how Wikipedia should cover these local monster legends and press flaps; making clear their legendary status and treating the various wild claims in a completely un-sensational way. - LuckyLouie (talk) 16:43, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Mythology-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 13:54, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Animal-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 13:54, 27 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep, meets WP:GNG, covered by a number of sources over an extended period, as brought out above and in the article. Coolabahapple (talk) 13:58, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep, local legend that meets GNG with continuing coverage from the 60s and even local parade events. The creature doesn't exist, but the cultural phenomena is notable.-- Eostrix  (&#x1F989; hoot hoot&#x1F989;]) 06:24, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. If kept, content and tone should regard gorilla/grizzly/wild boar chimeras (or whatever) with some editorial distance.  --Lockley (talk) 19:23, 30 June 2020 (UTC)


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