Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dhimitër Zografi


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The result was   keep. henrik • talk  07:02, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Dhimitër Zografi

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Fails WP:NOTABLE and WP:ONEEVENT. While the Declaration is itself notable, and many of its signatories are as well, it does not appear that this individual is notable for anything other than his signature. I cannot find anything about him in the literature. Since he is already listed at Albanian Declaration of Independence, Delete or Merge. Athenean (talk) 03:19, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep. Keep as a member of the Assembly of Vlora. The nature of a national declaration of independence is that it is issued by a body that has some of the characteristics of a national parliament and national government. The United States Declaration of Independence, for example, was issued by the Second Continental Congress. In the case of Albania, its declaration was enacted by the Assembly of Vlora, which was a national assembly. Arguably, then, each signatory of a national declaration of independence is automatically notable as a member of a national parliament or the equivalent. Also worth noting is the fact that all or almost all the people who signed the United States Declaration of Independence are also notable for reasons other than having signed the declaration and participated in the Second Continental Congress, whether as political or military leaders or for other reasons. This is a strong hint that the same is true for signatories of other national declarations of independence. As indicated in Albanian Declaration of Independence, the signatories are known as the Founding fathers (Albanian: Baballaret e kombit) of the Albanian modern state. - Eastmain (talk) 04:21, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albania-related deletion discussions.  - Eastmain (talk) 04:21, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Albanian Declaration of Independence until someone cares enough about Mr. Zografi to actualy write something about him, such as where he was from, who he was, etc.. There are several articles that say nothing more than "________ was one of the signatories of Albanian Declaration of Independence", which is nothing more than what we already know.  I have zero respect for someone who creates a stub with no intention of working on it. Mandsford (talk) 18:22, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Redirect as above (Delete as second choice). Presumably notable, but unless someone actually bothers finding sources and expanding the artcle, it can't stay.  An article with no information is worse than no article at all. Andrew Lenahan -  St ar bli nd  20:03, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
 * It's the same over at Veli Gërra, Jakup Veseli, Azis Tahir Ajdonati, Taq Tutulani, and Rexhep Demi. Is there a way to create a centralized AfD for a whole bunch of similar articles?  --Athenean (talk) 20:20, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Just being an elected local official, or an unelected candidate for political office, does not guarantee notability, although such people can still be notable if they meet the primary notability criterion of "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject of the article.") This is a case of  creating an article just for the thrill of creating an article. Mandsford (talk) 00:26, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep per reasonging of Eastmain above. Keep each signatory of the Albanan independence or member of the Assembly of Vlora also for the following: These people were not important only for their signatures. They were not invited in vain, but as the best representatives of Albanian regions at that time. All the muslim names were given the title of "Bey" which signified that they had important military achievement for the Ottoman empire under their belt; in addition they were important land-owners, which makes them the equivalent of a nobleman in the western world. For this reason they were virtually unknown or wantedly so during the communist regime in Albania as the government didn't want to put big landowner names in the History of Albania (they were basically deprived of all their wealth), hence little has been written about them during the communist regime. However historians don't stop their research even in communist times and work much more after those time. They find that these people were the most important politicians of Albania at the turn of the XXth century. Extremely important for WP:NOTABLE. Keep in mind that you will see the greek plethora of ptolion, athenean, megistias, alexikoua make it very hard for these people to remain in Wikipedia through this voting. Most of these Albanian polititians are from Chameria hence the greeks want them deleted at any cost from the English speaking encyclopedia.sulmues (talk)--Sulmues 14:05, 11 January 2010 (UTC)--Sulmues 14:12, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep Subject passes WP:POLITICIAN.  kedadi al  13:35, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't think he does. WP:POLITICIAN covers "Politicians who have held international, national or sub-national (statewide/provincewide) office... members and former members of a national, state or provincial legislature and judges.... Major local political figures who have received significant press coverage.  (Generally speaking, mayors are likely to meet this criterion, as are members of the main citywide government or council of a major metropolitan city.
 * Delete or Merge into Albanian Declaration of Independence. The article can be recreated if content is found which is not already at the Albanian Declaration of Independence article.--Ptolion (talk) 14:48, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete as per norm (or Merge).Alexikoua (talk) 21:12, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
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