Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dhyanyogi Madhusudandas


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The result was   KEEP (no consensus). TigerShark (talk) 22:27, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Dhyanyogi Madhusudandas

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Non-notable religious leader. No reliable sources found to establish notablity. Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 00:42, 18 July 2008 (UTC) 
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 * Delete: as per nom. --Deepak D'Souza (talk • contribs) 07:16, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete Not notable. Raymond "Giggs" Ko 09:53, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete not notable. ChiragPatnaik (talk) 10:48, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep This SUNY press book calls him a "major indian guru".John Z (talk) 15:21, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Reply The above reference list guru's in India with female disciples who took their place upon retirement/death. If this individual is indeed a "major indian guru," there must be some references that do not mention him in passing (so far the only one is in relation to a female disciple who took over his religios organization). If this was a book on him, or an article devoted to him, or even a substancial part of a text - but one brief mention is far from the notability requirements of wikipedia. Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 16:19, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Reply - agree with Ism schism, the (single) source fails to meet Wikipedia's requirements for notability. -- Shruti14 t c s 03:20, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Reply I agree, this source does not go far towards satisfying the general notability guideline, which is not how I meant it. But it does go towards satisfying the less restrictive, and relevant WP:CREATIVE - in particular The person is regarded as an important figure or is widely cited by their peers or successors. One can find similar brief mentions in a couple more books. In any case extensive reliable source(s) exist, which I didn't have the time to explain then, see below.John Z (talk) 05:06, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:N and WP:RS Artene50 (talk) 01:30, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom, WP:N, and WP:RS. -- Shruti14 t c s 03:18, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment According to The New Age Encyclopedia: A Guide to the Beliefs, Concepts, Terms, People . . . "prominent teachers of a form of kundalini yoga include Yogi Bhajan, Yogi Amrit Desai, Swami Chidvalasanandaji and Dhyanyogi Madhusudandasji."  The South Asian Religious Diaspora in Britain, Canada, and the United States says "In 1976 the leader of Kundalini Maha Yoga, Dhyanyogi, brought a leading disciple Anandi Ma with him on an extended tour of the United States. Although he returned to India permanently in 1980, she stayed to build up support for the movement  in America."  These books refer to  the chapter of Daughters of the Goddess: The Women Saints of India By Linda Johnsen which is devoted to Dhyanyogi and Anandi Ma. I note that the article on Anandi Ma was recently speedy deleted; the article on her less notable husband remains. Also, there already is the biography of Dhyanyogi by Anandi Ma as a reference in the Dhyanyogi  article. The logical thing it seems would be to make the article on her husband Dileepji a redirect to a recreated article on her, and to keep the Dhyanyogi article; or perhaps have a combined article that all three redirect to.John Z (talk) 05:06, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep per John Z's references. ~ priyanath talk 21:07, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete While Dhyanyogi Madhusudandas may be associated with a notable person, this does not confer notability on him alone. By himself, this individual is still a non-notable. Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 04:25, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment From what I glanced at, the chapter in the book is roughly as much about Dhyanyogi as Anandi Ma, which only makes sense as he is the guru, and part of the notability of both is that he named her his legitimate successor. If we deleted, we would be in the odd position of saying a (presumably) notable person Anandi Ma wrote a book about a non-notable person, her guru Dhyanyogi. Perhaps an article (this one?) covering both would be best. It seems to me that what is most important is that we keep at least one article on a notable lineage of gurus. The ones that are harder to find references for can be shoe-horned into articles on their successors or predecessors or lineage. Splitting can always be done later if more references are found. By the way, if one nominates an article for deletion, it is not necessary to vote to delete also. Cheers,John Z (talk) 12:24, 29 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Wizardman  01:06, 30 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Hinduism-related deletion discussions.   — relisted per Wizardman's relisting. Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 01:27, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment From this search he seems to be a real person but there are no notable sources for him. Note: was he 116 years old when he died? Artene50 (talk) 10:10, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment There are several sources, some books, some from university presses, given above concerning him.John Z (talk) 11:38, 30 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep Sufficient sources now. I accept John's argument about their significance. DGG (talk) 03:06, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep References cited by John Z verify subject's notability and confirm real potential for development. --PeaceNT (talk) 16:40, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment He is also cited as an expert source on the activity of kundalini in Brain, Symbol, and Experience by Charles D. Laughlin, Jr., John McManus, and Eugene G. d'Aquili, 1990, Columbia University Press, New York. Here's the amazon book link. ~ priyanath talk 18:16, 4 August 2008 (UTC)


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