Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Diakonia Catholic School


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. (non-admin closure)  HurricaneFan 25  00:38, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Diakonia Catholic School

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Article appears to fail GNG & WP:ORG which states: "Some organizations are local in scope, but have achieved national or even international notice. Organizations whose activities are local in scope (e.g., a school or club) can be considered be notable if there is substantial verifiable evidence of coverage by reliable independent sources outside the organization's local area. Where coverage is only local in scope, consider adding a section on the organization to an article on the organization's local area instead.". JoshyDinda (talk) 19:56, 28 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment - As well as WP:ORG, I think that the common outcomes and WP:NHS could be useful. The problem with the article at the moment is that it is unclear what kind of school it is (primary, high, etc). If it is a high school, then a brief look for sources would probably be enough to keep the article. If it is primary school (or equivalent), then we'd need more independent coverage to satisfy WP:ORG the WP:GNG. Essentially then, my position depends on the kind of school this is. It would be helpful if that could be established. ItsZippy (talk • contributions) 20:59, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
 * All the websites that mention it just seem to be mirroring this Wikipedia article and there's no mention of it anywhere on the Indonesian Wikipedia so I can't even find evidence that the school exists or what type of school it is. JoshyDinda (talk) 21:04, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
 * If no sources whatsoever can be found, then I would support its deletion. We must remember, however, it will be difficult to find sources on an Indonesian school on the internet, so need to allow for that. ItsZippy (talk • contributions) 21:39, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
 * All of the sources I can find (which are not mirror sites) seem to refer to Diakonia as something to do with the Christian community, Jesus' teaching, etc . This does seem to question the actual existence of the school.
 * In light of recent discussion, I vote delete. ItsZippy (talk • contributions) 21:46, 28 November 2011 (UTC) Further comment below. ItsZippy (talk • contributions) 17:36, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Why should that bring into question the existence of the school? It's just the kind of name that I would expect a Catholic school to have - see Diaconia. Phil Bridger (talk) 17:53, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Indonesia-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 00:58, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 00:58, 29 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment. My knowledge of Indonesian is non-existent, so could the nominator (or anyone else) please confirm whether this is the school in question, and if so whether it is a high school? Phil Bridger (talk) 17:48, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
 * It appears to be so. The website states 'Play group' 'Nursery' 'Primary School' 'Junior High' and 'High school' here. So it appears to cover all ages I think. JoshyDinda (talk) 20:05, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I doubt we are going to find many more sources for the school. I'm not sure this is due to it being any less notable that other schools; it seems to be more a case of systematic bias. The question is, then, whether a school which seems to have children from play group up to high school is notable - the common outcomes suggest that primary schools tend to be deleted and high schools are kept. As we have verified the existence of the school, the fact that this has a high school in it, coupled with problems of systematic bias, lead me to vote keep. ItsZippy (talk • contributions) 17:36, 30 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep. It appears to be a mainstream school to Grade 12 (according to its web site). It's size is irrelevant, and more information may become available as they develop their site. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:48, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep as a highschool (apparently grades 1 to 12). Experience shows that if the articles are here, they will often be added to, we have a viable compromise, one of the few viable compromises that has held up for several years now, and I do not know why peoplewant to attack it. Thee alternative is debating each individual primary and secondary shcool here at length, which would paralyze AfD and prevent consideration of issues that need consideration.  DGG ( talk ) 15:59, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep -- Status as having a high school verified through The Jakarta Post. Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:03, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
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