Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Diamond Approach


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The result was   Keep and merge to A. H. Almaas. Ruslik (talk) 08:09, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Diamond Approach

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Non notable, possible original research with no reliable sources. Possible merge to A. H. Almaas. Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 12:48, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Religion-related deletion discussions.   —Ism schism (talk) 12:50, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep What are you talking about? Did you look at the article before nominating it? Plenty of sources. Bad faith nomination. &mdash; goethean &#2384; 14:35, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Reply The references are from the organization, there are no third party reliable sources. Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 14:40, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Google books Google Scholar &mdash; goethean &#2384; 15:04, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep Haven't even looked at the article yet; the speed and number of the delete noms preclude serious inspection. But this university press book on psychotherapy, which devotes several pages to the "Diamond Approach",  says "HAMEED ALI'S DIAMOND APPROACH Hameed Ali, who writes under the pen name of AH Almaas (almaas is Arabic for diamond), has created perhaps the fastest growing transpersonal approach on the scene today..." 117 google book hits without him as author.  This looks like another snowball keep.John Z (talk) 00:38, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Reply The google hits you cite are for a person, not for this aritlce titled the Diamond Approach. To date there have been no reasons to believe why this is a notable topic, nor reliable sources that claim such aside from passing references. Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 00:58, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
 * You're right, I made a mistake and was about to correct it. This is the better search. 43 gbook hits on almaas's diamond approach without him as the author.  The above search gave  117 books that mention him, not authored by him, more proper for his AfD.  University press books are usually considered reliable sources, and several pages are devoted to the "Diamond Approach" in that book; this is usually considered quite sufficient, and more than a passing mention.  "Fastest growing" is tantamount to this RS asserting that 'the Diamond Approach is notable topic.' "Passing mention" usually means something like part of a sentence, or a sentence or two, not several pages or a chapter in a book.  Cheers,John Z (talk) 01:14, 13 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep For reasons presented above. Ken Wilbur discussions of the approach are referenced in the article, which in itself demonstrates notability. Also, it is not clear to me how this is original research.--Chinawhitecotton (talk) 03:56, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Reply Is Ken Wilber the only notable source? Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 12:11, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Reply No, and it seems that this has already been addressed - if you click on the google search linked above by John Z and you find a number of other books, including, for example, in Psychotherapy and Spirit: Theory and Practice in Transpersonal Psychotherapy, by Brant Cortrigh Page 90-??; The Spiritual Dimension of the Enneagram: Nine Faces of the Soul By Sandra Maitri, p. 6 and 212, among other books.--Chinawhitecotton (talk) 03:36, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep or, possibly, merge and redirect to Almaas. Jayen 466 15:27, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge To A. H. Almaas. Not enough reliable sources to establish notability of Diamond Approach alone. Redirect and merge with A. H. Almaas. Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 03:44, 17 July 2008 (UTC)


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