Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Diamonds World Tour


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Whilst it's clear a fair number of people would like to see this article kept, I can see no arguments for that course of action that don't boil down to WP:ITEXISTS and WP:ITSUSEFUL. If the tour takes place as planned and sufficient independent coverage is generated, the page can be recreated. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  08:38, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Diamonds World Tour

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Fails WP:CRYSTAL. Nothing but a list of tour dates, which do not assert any sort of notability. All sources used are show date announcements or ticket purchase links. This is an encyclopedia, which means that in general, we should be writing about things that have already happened and have been covered by the appropriate sources. MSJapan (talk) 19:21, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep. Sorry? The tour is actually happening in March, how is that a WP:CRYSTAL? Dates are announced from her website and is of support of Unapologetic which is out atm. — Tomíca (T2ME) 19:26, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep - per above. AARON &bull; TALK   19:40, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Strong keep this tour is highly relevant and is by a highly relevant artist. It has received significant media coverage already, and the album in which it is in support of is now on sale. Jagoperson (talk) 23:18, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment - Relevance is not even a consideration here, because relevance is subjective; I'm sure Barry Manilow could care less about Rihanna's tour, for example.  What is at issue is sourcing.  The event has not happened, and CRYSTAL states "no dates are definite until the event has happened."  There is no coverage about it per RS; RS means "not from Rihanna's website," and "not advertising materials."  The tour also has to be notable on its own, as notability is not inherited from its album.  So could someone please explain to me how something that hasn't happened yet meets WP criteria for notability? MSJapan (talk) 04:17, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Strong keep per reasons stated above. Elste007 (talk) 08.13, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep ~ the associated album has been released and the tour dates have been confirmed by Rihanna. It is not a violation of WP:CRYSTAL because it is of substantial notability and scheduled to occur. Ar  re   12:39, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 14:59, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 14:59, 21 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Hello the tour is true not delete please --JonathanD. (talk) 23:12, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Please see WP:Existence ≠ Notability. Stalwart 111  09:54, 22 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep per the reasons stated by Tomica. Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 03:36, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, this is a rather ironic turn of events considering a few hours ago I performed an NAC on this as a speedy keep, but upon further review (and request from an admin and the nom) I rescinded said closure and it now even seems to me that this is a violation of WP:CRYSTAL. Therefore, provided there are no objections from others as to a COI considering I previously closed it and then was notified on my talk page with reasons to rescind said closure, I would !vote delete. Go   Phightins  !  03:41, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete per crystal and wp:not. Longer comment to follow when I am on an actual computer. gwickwire &#124; Leave a message 03:48, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Further comments... Well, every delete below seems to cover them totally. So.. I'll leave it to them. So, my vote is now a Delete per below. Thanks all below for not making me rehash what I had planned to say! gwickwire &#124; Leave a message 05:19, 24 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Strong Keep every MAJOR concert tour by a MAJOR act has an article, whether it has started or not. How about Red Tour, One Direction 2013 World Tour etc...? Thankyoubaby (talk) 03:51, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Please see WP:OTHERSTUFF. Stalwart 111  09:54, 22 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment - As an additional policy citation I should have used but was unaware of at the time, see WP:NTOUR WP:NCONCERT, which indicates that tours must be notable on their own, reliable independent sources are still necessary in terms of their coverage, and those reliable independent sources must do more than establish existence). Financial success, artistic approach, etc., are legitimate guidelines for notability, but none of that can be established before the tour happens.  Not all tours by a notable artist are notable. MSJapan (talk) 04:35, 22 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete - MSJ, I think you mean WP:NCONCERT, which this does not pass, in my opinion. I also have serious concerns about the sources provided which include fan-sites and blogs. If you want to argue this should not be subject to WP:CRYSTAL because the predictions are notable enough (predictions / plans / concepts can be notable) then we need far better sources than that as far as I'm concerned. The WP:ILIKEIT votes from fans citing each other rather than policies are not particularly convincing in my opinion. Stalwart 111  09:54, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, I'll fix that. Thanks! MSJapan (talk) 16:38, 22 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Strong keep per all the big reasons stated above. VítoR™   &bull;&#32;  (D)  11:57, 22 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Um, which ones? Stalwart 111  00:23, 27 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Strong keep for all the reasons stated above. quite obviously, this tour is actually happening, and this article will prove USEFUL for people who want to glean more information on the tour (especially the worldwide tour dates) using wikipedia. why nominate this article for deletion? this is a joke, and a waste of time. nominations like this deter people from being involved in wikipedia at all. shame on the user who nominated this article for deletion in the first place.-- miko mango  mwa!  19:52, 24 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Why nominate this? Because Wikipedia isn't the place to promote an upcoming tour, regardless of whether it's useful to fans or not. It's an encyclopaedia. There are no reviews of the tour, no records (because it hasn't happened yet), no media coverage of what the artist did during the tour (because it hasn't happened yet). We have announcements, plans and promises, all of which fall squarely into the realm of WP:CRYSTAL. This is obviously a case of WP:TOOSOON because it will happen and it will receive coverage in it's own right. But until then, we are speculating about what will happen and when. Until then, this information is the sort of thing that should be on the artist's website. Shame on the nominator? Shame on the person who completely ignored WP:BURDEN and created this article in the first place. How silly. Stalwart 111  00:23, 27 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Strong keep because the article is not being thought of through a crystal ball. The article has well-written and cited information, so I don't see why it is up for speedy deletion! All we have to do is add an expansion template to the article and get everyone to help out the article by providing more sources and information! If the article was being thought out of by researching information, posting it on the article, and not adding sources, then it would be would've been listed as a crystal article or even being plagiarized! This article should be kept for sure! The Smell of Magic 23:46, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment performed an early non-admin closure without sufficient consensus. I undid the changes and re-opened the AfD so that the discussion may continue. § FreeRangeFrog  07:03, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.