Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Diane Washburn


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The result was redirect‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__ to Jack Washburn. signed,Rosguill talk 15:41, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

Diane Washburn

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Tagged for notability since 2010. Couldn't BLP PROD it since it has ELs, though no references. Fails the general and biography-specific notability policies. - UtherSRG (talk) 19:33, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People and Women. UtherSRG (talk) 19:33, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Fashion and California.  WC  Quidditch   ☎   ✎  21:46, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete. Possible WP:HOAX warning, although form EL, NYT at least confirms that there was an actor Jack Washburn (possibly notable) who had a wife Diane. Can't confirm much else at this point (ping me if better sources are found). If this is not a hoax, we have a a major WP:OR here and likely WP:GNG fail, I fear. Possible copyvios or at least false licencing in pictures (vintage photos tagged with 'own work'). Ping User:Masur re taking care of copyvios on Commons (uploader uploads). Considering the article's style and if we AGF the 'own work', this could be the case of an article written by a family member based mostly on family oral history... the odds of the account (active in 2010 and creating just this entry) returning to explain are low. But, one minor procedural note: the nominator did not notify the creator of this deletion discussion - please fix. PS. User:Nate owen edited the article few years later, possibly same account/lost password or such. The creator account was User:Natenewhope.  --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here  02:30, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Article was created by, whom I notified via Twinkle when this AFD was created. - UtherSRG (talk) 12:15, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
 * That said, it looks like all 3 "Nate" accounts are one person who keeps losing their password. - UtherSRG (talk) 12:16, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I see, thanks. I've stubbed Jack Washburn as a possible ATD redirect target for this, but his notability is iffy too. As for Diane, there's a self-published book about her at . Guess who the author is? One Nathaniel Owen. As for New Hope, note that this is Diane's later residence. I think this really look like an attempt to promote someone by either a relative or a local fan. Sadly, they need to get this stuff (Diane's biography) published first in reliable sources, not Wikipedia or self-published books... sigh. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 03:09, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Piotrus @UtherSRG The photographs of Diane Bagshaw / Diane Washburn appear to be by photographer Fred Lyon, who may be the copyright holder. Or, Lyon may have assigned the copyright to the California Association of Winegrape Growers. Not sure what common practice was for commercial photography in the early 1950s, but in any case Lyon died last year. Probably best just to take down the photos for now as the license isn't well explained. Cielquiparle (talk) 03:17, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment: I don't think this is a hoax - here is a 1952 article mentioning Diane Bagshaw of San Rafael, with a photo. This is a passing mention, however, and hardly enough to count for encyclopedic notability. There is also a 1953 wedding announcement for Bagshaw and Jack Washburn, but this is WP:ROUTINE. BD2412  T 14:09, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
 * On the other hand, this is something (a 1953 article documenting Bagshow being crowned as "California Vintage Queen"). BD2412  T 14:16, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
 * And thanks for the finds, BD2412. - UtherSRG (talk) 14:46, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Jack Washburn as Diane Bagshaw/Diane Washburn is a case of WP:1E (Vintage Queen of California 1953). Good news is that there is some information about Diane Washburn in the Jack Washburn article now, citing a couple of the articles mentioned by BD2412. Her husband is definitely notable, though his article is still half-baked. (There are enough articles about him that it's too much to add in one sitting.) There isn't much else worth merging from this article (which lacks citations and overfocuses on her father and husband), but for those who like preserving "clues", the history of the page will still be accessible if it's a redirect. Cielquiparle (talk) 07:36, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Note to closer: This is acceptable. - UtherSRG (talk) 12:28, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Jack Washburn. Her husband is notable as she is not, and there are no references provided on this page. HarukaAmaranth  春香 13:31, 24 November 2023 (UTC)


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