Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Diary of a Wimpy Kid (2021 film) (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Draftify. Clear consensus that this isn't ready for mainspace. Vanamonde (Talk) 15:51, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Diary of a Wimpy Kid (2021 film)
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Diary of a Wimpy Kid (2021 film)

This is a film that is scheduled for release in December 2021, and is being submitted repeatedly, in advance of its release. The good-faith assumption is that it is being submitted by ultras, fanatical fans. Animated films usually have ultras. It was created in article space in December 2020, and was nominated for deletion, and was sent back to draft space; see Articles for deletion/Diary of a Wimpy Kid (2021 film). It was then submitted for review in June 2021 and declined, and then submitted for review twice in September 2021 and declined both times, and then copied into article space, and also submitted for review yet again. Creation in article space while there is already a draft games the system by making another move back to draft space impossible. So it looks as though we need another AFD. There is only one reference in the article, which is a long mention in collider.com of the film's teaser, which does not appear to be independent. A review of the references in the draft shows that they are mostly the same teaser for the film, or passing mentions, or interviews. There is nothing resembling significant coverage of the upcoming film. We know that it is an upcoming film. We knew that.

Some random editor will probably state that the film has completed production, and that films that have completed production are considered notable. This is a common but silly misreading of a badly written portion of the film notability guidelines. It reasonably divides films into three classes:
 * 1. Those that have not begun production, which are not notable.
 * 2. Those that have begun or completed production, but have not been released (which are the subject of controversy).
 * 3. Those that have been released.

The guideline then goes on to say:
 * Additionally, films that have already begun shooting, but have not yet been publicly released (theatres or video), should generally not have their own articles unless the production itself is notable per the notability guidelines.

This film has not been released. There is nothing in the advance coverage to the effect that the production is notable.

The last time that an article on this film was taken to AFD, the conclusion was to send it to Draft. Since there already is a draft, which is better sourced than the article, the article should be deleted, and the draft may be submitted for review when the film is released. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:20, 4 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:20, 4 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Comics and animation-related deletion discussions. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:20, 4 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Best also discuss whether or not to delete page Draft:Diary of a Wimpy Kid (2021 film). (And see Talk:Diary of a Wimpy Kid (2021 film).) Anthony Appleyard (talk) 22:58, 4 September 2021 (UTC)

Robert McClenon (talk) 23:09, 4 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment - Here is the analysis of the sources in the article and in the draft:
 * Comment to User:Anthony Appleyard and anyone else: The draft should be kept, and should be submitted for review with reception information when the film is released.  Robert McClenon (talk) 23:09, 4 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Draftify/Delete - delete from main space, keep draft. Both the draft and the mainspace article are identical. Merging them together would make a mess due to overlapping contribution histories. Continue improving the draft until actual notability can be established. The creator of the main space version has created articles about other non-notable films, which I have also moved to draft, but could not do so for this one. ~Anachronist (talk) 14:22, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Draftify/Delete redundant version and Salt per WP:TOOSOON and WP:CRYSTAL. I think the nominator is overselling some of the potential notability issues here; particularly because this is a film within a notable franchise being produced by Disney which will inevitably receive massive amounts of independent RS shortly before and after it premieres. The relevant policy guideline here is WP:NFF; and contrary to what the nominator claims we do accept articles on films that have completed production but have not yet been released to the public providing they have significant RS because that is what is written into the official policy that has been endorsed through community consensus. That said, I'm not seeing any evidence that this scenario currently applies to this particular film.4meter4 (talk) 04:59, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Draftify per WP:TOOSOON. Of course a brief mention can be made inside Diary of a Wimpy Kid ~ Shushugah (he/him • talk) 15:27, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Draftify till it's release. As per WP:TOOSOON, I vote for draftify this time and Delete the mainspace article.  ❯❯❯  Chunky aka Al Kashmiri   (✍️) 20:15, 16 September 2021 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.